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Atheists are mentally ill
RE: Atheists are mentally ill
(August 24, 2013 at 4:02 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: ..you're making all these naturalist assumptions about the nature of reality. You get to the resurrection once these assumptions have been cleared away. And they are just assumptions they don't necessarily just represent the "scientific worldview" or the "default setting "everyone is born with and you must maintain this primal rational purity or whatever. The existence of God is a fully rational and scientifically compatible concept and the association of miraculous events and a loving human relationship with this God is a fully rational and scientifically compatible concept as well. Nothing about the nature of reality would be violated if this is in fact the nature of reality. On this understanding you can accept the resurrection of Christ and the empty tomb and our eternal salvation through the grace and love of God, which is the central "Good News" of the gospels.

I only disagree that once you avoid the naturalist assumptions, the resurrection is inevitable. Better to say it is as good but no better than what you arrive at by beginning from the naturalist assumptions. No matter whether you assert God, no god or some other god from the start, you will have so compromised your ability to fairly assess the situation as to render your judgment irrelevant. Rather than state this yourself, you prefer to argue that the manner in which you compromise yourself is superior. Why not just say in all honesty that you like it because it suits you better personally? There is absolutely no sense in which the resurrection of Jesus is an inescapable conclusion of a fair assessment. It is just the result of the equally bad assumptions you make going in.
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Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 14, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 14, 2013 at 9:06 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Minimalist - August 14, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Rayaan - August 14, 2013 at 10:25 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 14, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 14, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 14, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 14, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Bad Writer - August 14, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Kayenneh - August 14, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 14, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 14, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 14, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Cyberman - August 14, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Minimalist - August 14, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Rayaan - August 15, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by orogenicman - August 15, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Esquilax - August 15, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 15, 2013 at 7:43 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 15, 2013 at 7:58 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pocaracas - August 15, 2013 at 8:53 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Nine - August 15, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Cyberman - August 15, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Crossless1 - August 15, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by fr0d0 - August 15, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 15, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by NoraBrimstone - August 15, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 15, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Cyberman - August 15, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 15, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 15, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Cyberman - August 15, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 15, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by tokutter - August 15, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 15, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 15, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Anomalocaris - August 15, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Ryantology - August 15, 2013 at 5:59 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Angrboda - August 15, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 15, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 15, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 15, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Bad Writer - August 15, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 15, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 15, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Manowar - August 20, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by KichigaiNeko - August 21, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 22, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 22, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 22, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pocaracas - August 22, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 22, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Anomalocaris - August 22, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 23, 2013 at 12:00 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Ryantology - August 22, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Ryantology - August 22, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 22, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 22, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by ParCutz - August 22, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pocaracas - August 22, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Ryantology - August 22, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 7:47 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Chas - August 23, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 23, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 23, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 23, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by gall - August 23, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by gall - August 23, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 23, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 23, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 23, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Chas - August 23, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2013 at 4:41 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Crossless1 - August 23, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by tokutter - August 27, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 23, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 23, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Esquilax - August 23, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 23, 2013 at 9:59 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 23, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Angrboda - August 23, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Cyberman - August 22, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 22, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 23, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by gall - August 23, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Esquilax - August 23, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Captain Colostomy - August 23, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Captain Colostomy - August 23, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pocaracas - August 23, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Esquilax - August 24, 2013 at 5:33 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 6:08 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Ryantology - August 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 23, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 23, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pocaracas - August 23, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 4:19 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Ryantology - August 24, 2013 at 4:25 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 4:38 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Captain Colostomy - August 24, 2013 at 4:56 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 5:01 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Captain Colostomy - August 24, 2013 at 5:39 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Creed of Heresy - August 24, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 24, 2013 at 5:46 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Paraselene - August 24, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 24, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Gil Gaudia - August 24, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Angrboda - August 24, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 24, 2013 at 10:23 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by MindForgedManacle - August 24, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Ryantology - August 26, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Captain Colostomy - August 24, 2013 at 5:20 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 5:46 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Esquilax - August 24, 2013 at 6:08 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 24, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Whateverist - August 24, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Esquilax - August 25, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Mister Agenda - August 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Jackalope - August 26, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Esquilax - August 24, 2013 at 5:41 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Angrboda - August 24, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pocaracas - August 24, 2013 at 5:55 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Sword of Christ - August 24, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Creed of Heresy - August 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pocaracas - August 25, 2013 at 6:35 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Angrboda - August 25, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Ryantology - August 23, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Mister Agenda - August 23, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Captain Colostomy - August 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by LastPoet - August 23, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Captain Colostomy - August 23, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 23, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Captain Colostomy - August 23, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Creed of Heresy - August 24, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Faith No More - August 24, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 24, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Cyberman - August 24, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Angrboda - August 24, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by pocaracas - August 24, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Gil Gaudia - August 24, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by ManMachine - August 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Lemonvariable72 - August 28, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Cyberman - August 28, 2013 at 6:21 am
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by Lemonvariable72 - August 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: Atheists are mentally ill - by CraigOfArabia - August 28, 2013 at 4:13 am

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