(August 24, 2013 at 4:02 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: It's technically possible but it's still going to be far less likely to be a fabrication than say the revelations of Mohammed, Joesph Smith and L Ron Hubbard due to the complexity of the situation and the number of people involved.
And there you go, still somehow making the assumption that it happened even in a conversation about the possibility that it's made up. Writers can write complex narratives, and I gotta tell ya, the stories about Jesus aren't that complex to begin with. I know you guys like to think that the bible is some kind of art, but it's really not. As for the number of people involved... come on, dude. The Doctor Who extended universe has far more writers involved than the bible, and as much as I'd like it to be otherwise, the Doctor still isn't real.
Quote: So if you had to pick one religion that was based on God and hiss revelation to humanity then you will probably have to agree that this is the one to go for. There are for other reasons for choosing this one specifically but at any rate this a is a good start.
Actually, until you provide evidence for the reality of your claims, nobody is obligated to choose any religion. Perhaps yours is the most likely fantasy story; that doesn't make it real. Prove that it is. Seriously, we like it when people provide evidence: give us your best argument for your religion, and see where it gets you.
Bald assertions will just get you on ignore lists.
Quote:Of course this isn't going to be compelling enough by itself to convince an atheist/naturalist or perhaps a deist of anything. The first thing you would have to do is take out all those specific supporting belief structures and assumptions of reality you have assembled/constructed before something like this can be driven in and conquer yo from within in the name of Christ. You know in Return of the Jedi when they had to take out the power generator on Endor before they could go in and attack the Death Stars power core? It will be like that. While your force field is fully operational nothing will get through.
So instead of just saying those supports exist, please present them. Show us what you think is good evidence for your position... the Star Wars references can stay, though.

Quote:That's because you're making all these naturalist assumptions about the nature of reality.
No, I actually don't. The natural world has the advantage of being demonstrable, and so I have no trouble believing that it exists. But I don't assume that's all there is; I just need more than being told that something else does, before I'll believe it. Hence the repeated requests for evidence or arguments, rather than just an outright denial.
Quote: You get to the resurrection once these assumptions have been cleared away. And they are just assumptions they don't necessarily just represent the "scientific worldview" or the "default setting "everyone is born with and you must maintain this primal rational purity or whatever. The existence of God is a fully rational and scientifically compatible concept and the association of miraculous events and a loving human relationship with this God is a fully rational and scientifically compatible concept as well. Nothing about the nature of reality would be violated if this is in fact the nature of reality. On this understanding you can accept the resurrection of Christ and the empty tomb and our eternal salvation through the grace and love of God, which is the central "Good News" of the gospels.
This stuff isn't going to tempt us; we've heard it all before. If this concept is so rational to you, then show us how. Don't just keep saying how rationally justified it is, over and over, without adding anything else. That's borderline preaching.
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