RE: Can anyone give me a example of how religous moral is superior to secular morality
September 7, 2013 at 3:47 pm
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2013 at 4:11 pm by genkaus.)
(September 7, 2013 at 3:02 pm)whateverist Wrote:(September 7, 2013 at 2:48 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Christian morality is not based on a system or set of rules. Instead it is based on loyalty to and trust in the person of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Fair enough and no doubt that is a vast improvement over mere rule following. However, wouldn't a relationship with a living person whose respect you desire to be worthy of be as good or better?
I thought the picture suggested that Chad was being facetious.
(September 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm)bennyboy Wrote: No, the reverse. I think that someone with a world view that is connected to deep emotions is likely to manifest that world view in actual behaviors, rather than lip service. And I think that the most emotional world views are usual founded in religious ideas.
The most highly moral people I've met have either had deep religious convictions, or a fascination with moral figures from ancient philosophy (like Socrates). But in the latter case, I'd say the world view approaches a religious one.
I see. So, rather than comparing the relative superiority of religious and secular moralities, your argument is that rather than the source it is the depth of emotional connection to that morality that matters.
If that's the case, here's my counter. Its not a question of your worldview being a religious one - or even approaching one. In case of most of humanity, their worldview is unconsciously formed. They do not have explicitly held views regarding the human nature or the nature of morality and absorb the ideas floating about in their community. This results in a fluid and changing worldview - often as a matter of convenience. Now, they do have a deep emotional connection to this worldview - you find that out when this implicit view is explicitly challenged, but as long as it remains implicit, their moral behavior isn't that much affected by it. Even is their behavior contradicts their worldview, they do not feel a great deal of guilt or shame in it because they are not aware of any explicit contradiction. The absence of depth of emotional connection here is incidental.
However, if they are cognitively aware of their worldview - which is often the result of committing to a religion or philosophy - then they would be aware when and where their behavior contradicts their deeply held moral beliefs. Here, it is not just fascination with moral figures from ancient philosophy - you see similar "emotional depth" with people associated with all sorts of philosophies. You have your liberals, anarchists, environmentalists, feminists and so on. All of them display what you'd call "religious dedication to their morality" - but the reason is not that their philosophy is a form of religion, the reason is that they know and understand what they believe in. Which is why they are much more aware of any contradiction to their beliefs that a layman and therefore their moral behavior is much more frequent.