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Argument Against an Infinite Past
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RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past
(September 9, 2013 at 2:07 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Proponents of cosmological arguments usually have a supporting argument in an argument against an infinite past. This is off the top of my head, but I think it usually goes something like this:

Quote:1) An actual infinite can not exist, because an infinite series cannot be traversed.
2) A beginningless past is an actual infinite.
3) Therefore the past is not infinite, and there was an absolute beginning.


Honestly, I'm not entirely sure I have a gripe with the argument, but I've seen more mathematically-savvy people take issue with it and its proponents. Are there problems with proposing an infinite past?

Well.....lets start with a circle - find me the beginning.

Now consider time - we are used to it flowing in one direction from an earlier point to a later one. We therefore surmise time had a beginning and we can put that at the beginning of the universe (which is known as space/time). There is no before the beginning as time itself did not exist (nothing existing - as in nothingness).

Several thoughts going on from this include:

Suppose time is circular.
Was nothingness infinite? Can nothingness be infinite?
What if (as is proposed under Quantum Physics) nothingness is inherrently unstable?
Could a universe form in those circumstances (if the net energy state of the universe is zero)?
Without outside interference?

The answer to the last 4 is......apparently.
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Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 9, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Jackalope - September 9, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 9, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 10, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 10, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 10, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Faith No More - September 9, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Brian37 - September 9, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 9, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Jackalope - September 9, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Brian37 - September 10, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Jackalope - September 10, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Angrboda - September 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 10, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 11, 2013 at 12:32 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Neo-Scholastic - September 10, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Faith No More - September 10, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Neo-Scholastic - September 12, 2013 at 9:15 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Neo-Scholastic - September 12, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Whateverist - September 12, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 13, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Cato - September 10, 2013 at 11:38 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Neo-Scholastic - September 12, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Angrboda - September 12, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Ben Davis - September 13, 2013 at 8:35 am

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