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Argument Against an Infinite Past
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RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past
(September 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm)max-greece Wrote: Well.....lets start with a circle - find me the beginning.

Now consider time - we are used to it flowing in one direction from an earlier point to a later one. We therefore surmise time had a beginning and we can put that at the beginning of the universe (which is known as space/time). There is no before the beginning as time itself did not exist (nothing existing - as in nothingness).

Describing 'nothingness' as 'existing' is a contradiction.

Quote:Several thoughts going on from this include:

Suppose time is circular.
Was nothingness infinite? Can nothingness be infinite?
What if (as is proposed under Quantum Physics) nothingness is inherrently unstable?
Could a universe form in those circumstances (if the net energy state of the universe is zero)?
Without outside interference?

Calling empty space 'nothingness' is unhelpful and bad in my opinion. Empty space is something, not nothing. And nothingness could not have properties like instability.
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Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 9, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Jackalope - September 9, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 9, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 10, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 10, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 10, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Faith No More - September 9, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Jackie - September 9, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 9, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Jackalope - September 9, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Jackie - September 10, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Jackalope - September 10, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Angrboda - September 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 10, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by MindForgedManacle - September 11, 2013 at 12:32 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Neo-Scholastic - September 10, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Faith No More - September 10, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Neo-Scholastic - September 12, 2013 at 9:15 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Neo-Scholastic - September 12, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Whateverist - September 12, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by max-greece - September 13, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Cato - September 10, 2013 at 11:38 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Neo-Scholastic - September 12, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Angrboda - September 12, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: Argument Against an Infinite Past - by Ben Davis - September 13, 2013 at 8:35 am

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