(January 16, 2010 at 12:30 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:(January 15, 2010 at 6:48 pm)lukec Wrote: I'm confused. Wasn't this about postulating exactly what kind of god COULD exist as per scientific discoveries up to this point?
BINGO!
Scientific discoveries have dismissed what was never religion. Nothing about religion was 'reduced' by science. Nowadays we're totally ignorant about God and his purpose.. which is the beauty of ZB's question... you have to work out what that is.
(January 16, 2010 at 4:08 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote: Well you're capable of opinion, now show that you're capable of argument.
I'm capable of spotting sophistry which is all you seem to be coming up with. Hence the endless circling.
(January 16, 2010 at 5:52 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(January 15, 2010 at 9:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(January 15, 2010 at 9:26 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: You appear to misunderstand what I mean by God being an emergent property of the universe. I mean that God is a result of the universe, not the other way around.
Yes but you're making it either/ or: You said: "we have concluded that God is not an emergent property. But a Creator"
What I'm saying is that if you suppose God to be the creator, then it follows that he has to be everything that emerges as well.
(January 15, 2010 at 9:26 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: And as to human adoration being its ultimate goal? Try reading Revelations. However, please feel free to tell us what you think its ultimate goals might be.
1. I thought we weren't talking about Christianity?
2. You choose to be literalist ...I don't thanks.
As to your first point, why, if God is the creator, then does it follows that he has to be everything that emerges as well? How do you arrive at that conclusion?
If there was nothing and God created everything, then everything was made from God. God couldn't have gotten anything from anywhere else because then he couldn't then be the first cause. We're saying he is the creator, or first cause.
(January 16, 2010 at 5:52 am)Zen Badger Wrote: And since we apparently both agree that human adoration is not God's ultimate goal.
Again, I ask, what do you think it would be?
Our ultimate goal might be the perfection of God. From the perspective of humanity, Gods purpose for us is that we love him back and in doing so live life to it's ultimate capacity. Gods ultimate goal for the universe can be observed from physical evidence following physical laws.
