(September 13, 2013 at 11:26 am)Drich Wrote:"the god of the bible"... There were religions before the bible... what god was this, back then?(September 13, 2013 at 10:53 am)pocaracas Wrote: Well then... why are there religions?Because people want to worship A god. Just not the God of the bible. They want to build an image of themselves and then deify it, that way they can ensure eternal life without having to sacrifice/change anything.
The god of the torah? There were religions before the torah... what god was this, back then?
The god of Abraham? There were religions before Abraham... (What century is this guy supposed to have lived on?) what god was this, back then?
So, it seems, at that time, either people really wanted to worship whatever god they came up with... or the one true god was popping up all over the place and being misrepresented by the people... or a mix of the two options.
I lean to the first option.
(September 13, 2013 at 11:26 am)Drich Wrote:Aren't you the one who said that god is the alpha and omega, as if this god is everything. Is god the bible?... apparently, yes.Quote:That disqualify it as the word of an infallible perfect god, yes.What makes you think that just because God is perfect, that the book that talks about him must also be perfect?
Is God the bible or is the bible God?
If the bible is not God then why do we look on it as having to be perfect?
Is the bible god? just a piece of the guy, no? god seems to be so much more than the bible, as we can see so much more than the bible around us.
(September 13, 2013 at 11:26 am)Drich Wrote:If you look at the bible's NT as an accurate representation of the events (as many do) then you arrive at Bart's conclusion.Quote:And yes, I read the book a few months ago... but, being a bit ignorant of the bible itself, I couldn't analyze as well as you may.
The point I was trying to make was you said any 'fiction' can be reconciled, "just look at star wars." Which is at odds with what Bart said. "the bible has several key irreconcilable differences between the accounts."
Which means you are wrong if you hold that the bible is a work a fiction, Bart is wrong in what he said, or the bible is not a work of fiction..
If you look at the bible's NT as a work of fiction, even if based on some real elements, then you couldn't care less that the differences are irreconcilable... it's fiction, written by several authors, it's expected... Ask any fiction writer, specially those who write several books to cover one story, like Harry Potter, or the Song of Fire and Ice... it's a nightmare making everything fit together nicely.
I'd be very surprised if no differences were to be found in such a huge tome.
(September 13, 2013 at 11:26 am)Drich Wrote:(September 13, 2013 at 11:26 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The second films died for me when R2 D2 flew. There were so many times in the older films where that would have been handy but apparently it forgot it could do that.
the thing is with fiction it can be added upon to explain things like this.
By the time R2 was in episode 4 he was obsolete and partially non functional as per his problem with the 'help me obi wan kneobi' message he was stuck playing in a loop.
Now you're just adding to the cannon. I have to admit, it does make sense!
See how easily it can be done?