(September 18, 2013 at 2:22 pm)John V Wrote: @max:
Any claims made in the Bible regarding god being perfect are necessarily based on a Biblical understanding of perfection. Atheists, however, substitute their own definition of perfection. This is equivocation and/or a straw man.
(September 18, 2013 at 2:07 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Even a lizard can suffer. I'm not sure about ants. To deny the existence of suffering is to deny your own experience.Exactly...if all thoughts and actions are preprogrammed by god, there is no such thing as my "own experience."
Perfection isn't perfection....what?
Are you saying that God met the standard of perfection back in the day but it is not fair to expect him to meet the standards of perfection we have now?
So, God, measured by today's standards, is not perfect?
Genuinely I was asking you for an explanation - I don't get it.
Obviously I don't want to put you in an embarrassing position here - if you can't explain it I will understand (and feel better about myself as it is totally beyond me).