(September 18, 2013 at 3:19 pm)John V Wrote: OK, now you're altering point 3 below, as the original leads to complete hypocrisy on your part.
I altered it because the original point 3 doesn't apply to non-psychopaths. As I'm not a psychopath, I have no use for yours.
Quote:You don't seem to know any hunters. Plenty of them enjoy taking another animal's life. They're generally not called murderers for this. So, even if you can show that god enjoys killing (despite his express statement that he doesn't), you have the same problem.
I do know hunters, and I completely disapprove of hunting for purposes other than food, or in extreme cases, controlling populations to avoid all kinds of problems that causes, both to them and to us.
But, you see, I don't really have the same problem. I can show that your god enjoys killing because you have given him attributes which make any other explanation illogical. Furthermore, if you have to equivocate your perfect god to flawed humans, you're the one who loses rather than I, because humans are flawed and do murder and do terrible things for bad reason sometimes. The entire point of this discussion is that your god behaves, at best, no better than we do, when his behavior should be beyond any reproach. Again, I think I may have trouble connecting with you on this issue because you seem to have psychopathic qualities.
Quote:No, I personally believe that god as creator has right to do as he pleases with his creation. You guys justify god based on intelligence when you justify our actions based on our intelligence.
By this logic, the team which constructs a skyscraper has the right to blow it up, regardless of the harm it would cause to people in or around it, because their status as creators gives them the right to destroy it whenever they want.
Quote:Uh, no, logic would say just the opposite.
How's that?
Quote:Those are questions I considered asking you guys. Ants are OK, cattle are OK, dogs aren't - it's somewhat arbitrary and self-serving. Dogs kiss our ass, so they're exempt, unless they turn on us - then they're toast.
Then, it's just as arbitrary that I can kill a cow, but I can't kill a human who is less intelligent and, possessing higher intelligence, I should have the right to end their lives any way I want, for whatever reason I see fit. According to your logic, of course.
Quote:Yes. That's why it's generally OK to kill animals but not people.It's generally okay to kill animals for specific reasons which produce some tangible benefit, and never simply to see an animal suffer or enjoy watching it die, which as demonstrated, is the only logical reason God has for killing any living being of any size or complexity.
If your God shares so many faults that we have, why is it worth our praise and worship?