(September 19, 2013 at 11:22 am)John V Wrote:(September 19, 2013 at 11:03 am)max-greece Wrote: John V,As I've said to others, God is not bound by his rules for others. Take pride for instance. Pride isn't wrong in principle. It's generally wrong for humans because we're not worthy of it. It isn't wrong for god, as he is worthy of it.
My apologies - you are correct - I did misread your response.
Frankly - I am mystified by it. I chose Christian values to measure God by - the seven deadly sins are not my invention - they are of the church and, whilst not biblical, appear very early on in church history.
Quote:Er...nonsense? My car is making a funny noise - I do not need to know the exact combination of frequencies that come out of it normally to recognise that fact.Implication - a perfect car doesn't make funny noises.
Quote:Arsenal's goalkeeper is not good at dealing with crosses.Implication - a perfect goal keeper is good at dealing with crosses.
Quote:All easily identifiable imperfections without any reference to perfection.All imply a criterion of perfection.
Quote:Well this is where you are obfuscating merely to cover your position. Any being claiming to be perfect can be measured against known or recognised imperfections.Known or recognized imperfections for that being. Slowness is an imperfection in a race horse, but not necessarily in a donkey.
Quote:In this case we are using Christian onesAnd so they apply to Christians, or perhaps to humans in general.
Quote:Surely you see that the above makes a mockery of your counter-argument which you yourself describe as tautology:You can't make a mockery of a tautology. It just is what it is.
God's perfect because God's book says God's perfect.
Brilliant - we can therefore imply perfection without defining it - thank you.
So:
Jealousy is one of the seven deadly sins.
Implication - a perfect being is not a jealous one.
Wrath is one of the seven deadly sins.
Implication - a perfect being does not suffer from wrath.
Maliciousness is a bad thing (we both agreed).
Implication - a perfect being cannot be malicious.
Etc. Etc.
Therefore God of the OT and NT is not perfect WHATEVER it says in his Bible.