(September 18, 2013 at 3:19 pm)John V Wrote:(September 18, 2013 at 3:01 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: So, as an omnipotent programmer who determines the outcome of anything I am unable to cause something to feel pain without giving it free will first?You're unable to give anything autonomous existence. "I think, therefore I am." Except in this case, I don't think, and neither do you. Therefore we are not.
So, in addtion to God not being able to make us suffer without giving us free will, he is also unable to give us consciousness without giving us free will?
I'll go along with that for the sake of argument. So we clearly have free will since we are conscious and can suffer, and therefore if there is a God, it can't be omniscient, in particular, it can't know what we're going to think in advance of us knowing it.