The Rich Benefit the Most from Socialism

[Koolay]

We're quite aware of the fact that at LEAST some freedom of the market itself is absolutely necessary for economic growth. Nobody here has said otherwise.

If market freedom gives us economic growth, why not ditch parasitical violence so we can have maximum economic growth? You see this is what I do not get, how can you recognise that fascism is morally wrong and grossly inefficient, but be okay with half fascism?

It is not logically consistent, either using violence to achieve your means is right or wrong, you can't just make up circumstances you want. Like, I can't say that "Rape is wrong, except under circumstance x, y, z" it would be insane. Either rape is wrong or it is not.

The non aggression principle, has to be applied to everyone. Genuinely, I do not understand how you do not see this.

What we are against is the free market completely unrestrained and left to rampage.

So people voluntarily trading goods and services with each other is a 'rampage' but, a small group of people holding the monopoly on violence forcing everyone to submit money to them is not?

And, you know, it's cute that you guys think that the economy is being "restricted" somehow. Do tell me in what ways the US economy is being restricted? What regulations are really truly abusing the poor, battered free market from growing to its truest potential and how might we address them, hmm?

Well listen, if you can not understand that 2+2=4, then you are getting something fundamentally wrong about math. If you can not realise that principles, especially moral principles need to be universalised, then me discussing the details is ignoring the problem.

Me skipping universally preferable behaviour, and explaining economic behaviour would be like teaching someone math, finding out that they think 2+2=5, then going to algebra. It's just glazing over the misunderstanding, ultimately it would be a waste of both of our time. So, I wont discuss economics with you, only philosophy. If your end conclusion is just going to be use violence to achieve ends, then there is no point in me trying to convince you to accept otherwise. If you point guns at me, I am just going to submit. I won't pretend someone who wants to initiate violence has any interest in a rational discussion.