(September 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Manowar Wrote: On the news they went over several states and costs which varied several hundred dollars. One case I think he said if a woman is making $60.000 a year she would pay Just under $800.00 a month that's just under $10,000.00 a year. That's a lot of F%^$^ money. Now I am hearing rumors that Obamacare could lead to mandatory vaccinations, it's just a rumor but you gotta wonder
manowar
Well if you're already offered healthcare by your employer and you are earning $60,000 per year, then whatever your current rate is will either be better or stay similar...
Obamacare isn't going to be raising prices from what I understood.
If you're making $60,000 per year and are self-employed or without healthcare, then you have cheaper options to choose from which would normally cost you a lot more (under current conditions, buying healthcare as an individual is almost impossible)
Obviously the whole benefit of an employer offering healthcare is that they can get group rates, if you don't have that group rate you're screwed currently.
Obamacare offers a group rate for all of America so that no one is left out, or at least that is the plan as I understood it explained by Obama today on live tv.
I like the idea, I think it will have a lot of rough edges and some people will be hurt by it, but it is one of those "for the greater good" scenarios, the benefit of many for the sacrifice of few.
We'll see. I imagine that Obamacare will either be hated and give conservatives ground, or it will be plausible enough to give liberals ground and they can perhaps convince conservatives (who realize they're gaining zero ground by opposing Obamacare) to let off of their fearmongering and perhaps Obamacare 2.0 will be even better.
Whatever Obamacare ends up being, it is less and worse than it would have been if the Republicans didn't oppose it so strongly... It was Romney's platform to cut down Obamacare, and he failed along with his party, but not without causing massive damage first.
My thoughts, anyways.
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