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Morality in Nature
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RE: Morality in Nature
(September 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Unless there's a magical morality floating in the heavens, then morality, decisions, behaviors, world view, etc. are all processes.

Wrong. A process indicates a series of actions. The word doesn't apply to sets of principles or ideas like morality, worldview etc.

(September 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm)bennyboy Wrote: The narrative as I believe you have it is that a person is born a product of his DNA and his environment (starting in the womb). Each experience he has results in brain activity, including learning. Then when a person decides to behave immorally (whatever that is taken to mean), it's because of a deterministic interaction between his internal environment (hormones, brain state, etc.) and his external environment (people calling him stupid or something).

You are ignoring a significant third aspect - the person himself. When you talk about his external environment and his internal environment, you are assuming the existence of something that can be identified as him. This identity is not equated to internal environment and is involved in the interaction.

(September 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm)bennyboy Wrote: In the deterministic view, it is inevitable that a killer should kill. Given his brain state (which follows a deterministic chain right back to the womb), and his particular environment, he could not have done anything but kill.

And given that the brain state is "him" and the brain state controls the subsequent actions, he, thus bears the responsibility for those actions.


(September 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm)bennyboy Wrote: So the killer is punished not for something he could control (i.e. a moral failing). He is punished for the way his brain processes information and forms behaviors. In fact, he HIMSELF is nothing but a collection of processes.

And they're being punished.

What makes you think that it was something he "could not control"? The role of an agent in a deterministic causal chain isn't disregarded so simply.
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Morality in Nature - by Jiggerj - September 23, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Silver - September 23, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Jiggerj - September 23, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Rahul - September 23, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Mystical - September 24, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Rahul - September 23, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Captain Colostomy - September 23, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Jiggerj - September 23, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Rahul - September 23, 2013 at 10:23 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Neo-Scholastic - September 23, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by MindForgedManacle - September 23, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 23, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Neo-Scholastic - September 24, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Esquilax - September 24, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by freedomfromforum - September 24, 2013 at 12:32 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by max-greece - September 24, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by freedomfromforum - September 24, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 24, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Jiggerj - September 24, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Dunno - September 24, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 24, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Whateverist - September 24, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 24, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Whateverist - September 24, 2013 at 7:24 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 24, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Whateverist - September 24, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 27, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 28, 2013 at 7:26 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 28, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 29, 2013 at 1:46 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 29, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 29, 2013 at 5:01 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 29, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 29, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 29, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 29, 2013 at 10:42 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 29, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 30, 2013 at 12:19 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 30, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 30, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Whateverist - September 28, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 28, 2013 at 10:21 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by max-greece - September 24, 2013 at 5:09 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2013 at 11:41 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Dunno - September 24, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Whateverist - September 23, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by gilbertc06 - September 24, 2013 at 4:46 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 24, 2013 at 5:55 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Dunno - September 24, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Darwinian - September 24, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Neo-Scholastic - September 25, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Esquilax - September 25, 2013 at 8:55 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Neo-Scholastic - September 25, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by Whateverist - September 28, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - September 28, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:42 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 30, 2013 at 4:46 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 10:34 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Neo-Scholastic - September 30, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - September 30, 2013 at 10:11 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Walking Void - September 30, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Lumpymunk - September 30, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 1, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 1, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 1, 2013 at 3:09 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 1, 2013 at 3:36 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 1, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 1, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 1, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 2, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 2, 2013 at 3:02 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 2, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 2, 2013 at 3:39 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 2, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 2, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 2, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 2, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 2, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 2, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 2, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 2, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 2, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 3, 2013 at 4:31 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 3, 2013 at 5:57 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 3, 2013 at 7:18 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 3, 2013 at 7:36 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by bennyboy - October 3, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by genkaus - October 4, 2013 at 2:04 am
RE: Morality in Nature - by Angrboda - October 3, 2013 at 1:54 pm

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