(October 1, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote:(October 1, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: If you're not following how the argument works why don't you just ask??
Also, I have another question which I already asked. What do you mean when you say 'god'? I just need to know, because a lot of time people use 'god' to describe the universe as we know it, basically, and all the arguing was then for nill.
(October 1, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Of course it doesn't. Who says it does?
The OP says:
"If actual, discrete infinites can exist in our world, then our universe can exist eternally, and does not need God to create it."
The key issue with the argument is not a proof or disproof of God's existence, but to use a method of abductive reasoning called "inference to the best explanation". The reason we make this appeal is because any answer to the question of the origin of the universe will have to be metaphysical, or at least transcend physical-reductionist explanations (I'll go into detail if you want to know why). The problem with available hypotheses here is that given everything we know, the evidence is underdeterminative, so the best we can do right now is infer to the best explanation.
Now given any physical-reductionist hypothesis we face a bunch of problems (too much to talk about here). What we can do, however is raise the probability of a non-theistic explanation that much higher in one single step: by demonstrating that actual infinities can occur in the physical world.
I know the title said "Disprove God", but the argument would do so only indirectly- by rendering a theistic explanation that much less probable compared to before. What the argument does do, directly, is increase the plausibility of a non-theistic hypothesis.