(October 3, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:(October 3, 2013 at 8:05 pm)Airyaman Wrote: Standard of evidence that something exists: actually show it exists. Its really that simple. All theists have are words to show their god exists and words can be used for reality or fiction so not good enough.
I think Christians have a little more than 'just words' to substantiate their beliefs. they have valid arguments backed up by empirical evidence.
So you say, what is it?
Quote:if I were to say "my car stopped running and the fuel gauge says empty, therefore I must be out of gas" I just used logic to determine why the car wasn't running. the empirical evidence being the car isn't working and the gauge is at empty, and the rational conclusion being it's out of gas. now, this may not be necessarily true. there may be another problem coupled with the fuel gauge breaking. but to say "it's possible therefore your belief isn't rational" isn't an argument against it. we may not be able to 100% say there is a God. as I said before, even if God were physically present in everyone's lives they could simply revert to solipsism. but you can certainly find out what is most rational to believe. in the case of the car for example, even though it is possible that some random problem coupled with the fuel gauge breaking, you couldn't say it's rational to believe that's the case on the evidence you have initially. only when you rule out the most likely conclusions do you consider the less likely.
Well the rest of this response left me scratching my head. Maybe you thought it meant something to you though.