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Obamacare part 2
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RE: Obamacare part 2
(October 4, 2013 at 1:30 am)Lumpymunk Wrote: So in response to insurance companies jacking up rates 20, 30, and 40% the government has declared itself an insurance provider to cash in. No wonder the average premium for a young adult will increase 200-300%...

Makes perfect sense.

Based on what information? Sounds like you're just fishing for a reason to be mad at Obamacare.

(October 4, 2013 at 1:30 am)Lumpymunk Wrote: What is the magic turning point where the $2000 penalty per employee becomes cheaper than...
- Avoiding the cost entirely by structuring with more part-time employees.

Clearly businesses have done the math...

This has already been disproven, before even my post just now. Either accept you've been proven wrong and admit it and have some humility or share the same disgusting lack of humility or grace most of our theistic visitors always show in "debates" around here.

(October 4, 2013 at 1:30 am)Lumpymunk Wrote: Yup. I see employers continuing to make cost-effective labor decisions and hiring more part-time workers to avoid having to deal with the massive legal costs. ...Because remember, not only do you have to worry about compliance as a business, you've got to pay expensive lawyers to make sure you're staying legal... regularly audited to ensure compliance... and fend off the occasional lawsuit when someone claims you've violated the law.

Right, because the PPACA is SUPER complicated.

Seriously I read through the entire fucking bill after Raeven informed me as to how the bill works and I did it in about 30 minutes. It's not rocket science, it's shit along the lines of unemployment or medicare. They don't need to hire an entire new team of lawyers just to deal with this shit. Stop fishing for excuses, because all you're bringing up now is conjecture and speculation based on faulty information and a clear misunderstanding of the bill. You're claiming a $2000 yearly penalty for every employee as if they will get penalized no matter what, and that every small business will HAVE to pay full costs of the insurance bill, and that this is going to be happening IMMEDIATELY as opposed to two years from now when the Employer Mandate ACTUALLY takes effect.

Just realize you spoke too soon and decided to defend a cause that was losing before you even spoke in its defense and we'll forgive you, but for fuck's sake don't sit here and try to pretend like you're in-the-know on this shit when you're clearly pulling your facts up one a time from whatever source Google will spit at you without even reading the damn sources you're pulling up to begin with. It's insulting. >:/
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Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 26, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Something completely different - September 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Silver - September 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Something completely different - September 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by kılıç_mehmet - September 27, 2013 at 8:10 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by AtheistCreed - September 26, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by AtheistCreed - September 26, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 26, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 26, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Whateverist - September 29, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - September 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Minimalist - September 26, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 26, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Minimalist - September 26, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 26, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - September 26, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - September 26, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 26, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Minimalist - September 26, 2013 at 7:40 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by AtheistCreed - September 26, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by AtheistCreed - September 26, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - September 26, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by AtheistCreed - September 26, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - September 26, 2013 at 8:29 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by AtheistCreed - September 26, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - September 26, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - September 27, 2013 at 12:28 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 27, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Captain Colostomy - September 27, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - September 27, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by AtheistCreed - September 27, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 27, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - September 28, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 29, 2013 at 9:24 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by kılıç_mehmet - September 29, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Isun - September 27, 2013 at 9:40 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 28, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - September 29, 2013 at 10:10 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - September 29, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 29, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Psykhronic - September 29, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 29, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - September 29, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 29, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - September 29, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - September 29, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 29, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 30, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 1, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 29, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 29, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by kılıç_mehmet - September 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by EB-S.canaria - September 29, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Tiberius - September 29, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 29, 2013 at 10:23 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - September 29, 2013 at 11:24 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Tiberius - September 30, 2013 at 3:25 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Psykhronic - September 30, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 30, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Isun - September 30, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 30, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - September 30, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 30, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Isun - September 30, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - September 30, 2013 at 7:22 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - October 1, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Isun - October 1, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by wolf39us - October 1, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Isun - October 1, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - October 1, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Manowar - October 1, 2013 at 5:59 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - October 3, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - October 4, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - October 4, 2013 at 12:41 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - October 4, 2013 at 1:41 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - October 4, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 1:30 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - October 4, 2013 at 1:50 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - October 4, 2013 at 1:39 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - October 4, 2013 at 1:58 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Cato - October 4, 2013 at 2:32 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - October 4, 2013 at 1:54 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Creed of Heresy - October 4, 2013 at 4:02 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - October 4, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 2:31 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 2:36 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - October 4, 2013 at 2:43 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Cato - October 4, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - October 4, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Lumpymunk - October 4, 2013 at 3:11 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by Raeven - October 4, 2013 at 3:24 am
RE: Obamacare part 2 - by AtheistCreed - October 5, 2013 at 5:34 pm

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