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standard of evidence
RE: standard of evidence
(October 4, 2013 at 9:37 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: You're moving the goal posts when we say, "here's an amputee, have God heal him." Knowing that that would never happen, you move the goal posts by saying "God doesn't have to answer our prayers."
that's not moving the goal posts. that's you creating a straw man that involves God bending to your every whim, and me denying that. and no, i'm not denying it just because I know it won't happen. it can be shown all over in the bible that God doesn't always do as we ask.
Quote:Aside from that bible passage saying that whatever you need, if you pray for it God will give it to you, and aside from asking "What's the point of prayer then?"
i'm guessing you are referring to matthew 7:7. the problem is this passage is not saying anything and everything under the sun you ask and you shall receive. if you read the context, you can see he's referring to prayers that ask for wisdom of better judgment, relevant to what is said in verses 1-6. what's the point of prayer? to connect with God, show thanks, and ask for what you need. he won't give you everything you want because you ask.
Quote:you're just moving the goal posts further away to where we can't score.
you act as though your argument is a new one. it's one that's been around since Christianity itself. the fact is, God doesn't give us everything we want. i'm not moving goal posts, that's how it is and it's supported by the bible.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 8:51 am
RE: standard of evidence - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 9:02 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Zen Badger - October 2, 2013 at 9:19 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 9:24 am
RE: standard of evidence - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: standard of evidence - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 10:05 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 10:13 am
RE: standard of evidence - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: standard of evidence - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: standard of evidence - by ManMachine - October 3, 2013 at 6:40 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 9:46 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Chas - October 3, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 2, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 2, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 2, 2013 at 11:29 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: standard of evidence - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: standard of evidence - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 11:40 am
RE: standard of evidence - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: standard of evidence - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 12:02 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Cheerful Charlie - October 19, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 2, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by downbeatplumb - October 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by DeistPaladin - October 2, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by DeistPaladin - October 2, 2013 at 11:20 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 2, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 2:32 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 2, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by pocaracas - October 2, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by pocaracas - October 2, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 2, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Faith No More - October 2, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 2, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 2, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 2, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Simon Moon - October 2, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by ManMachine - October 3, 2013 at 5:34 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 3, 2013 at 6:09 am
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 3, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 3, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Simon Moon - October 3, 2013 at 8:44 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 3, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Chas - October 4, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 4, 2013 at 8:51 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 4, 2013 at 9:04 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Simon Moon - October 4, 2013 at 12:09 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Tonus - October 3, 2013 at 6:18 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Faith No More - October 3, 2013 at 6:23 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 3, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 3, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 3, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 4, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Faith No More - October 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by LastPoet - October 3, 2013 at 7:38 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 3, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Airyaman - October 3, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 3, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 3, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Airyaman - October 3, 2013 at 8:46 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 3, 2013 at 9:26 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 3, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Cheerful Charlie - October 19, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 3, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 3, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 3, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 3, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 4, 2013 at 12:54 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 4, 2013 at 1:46 am
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 4, 2013 at 2:39 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 19, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 4, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 4, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 4, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 4, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 4, 2013 at 9:05 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 4, 2013 at 9:19 am
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 4, 2013 at 9:55 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Faith No More - October 4, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 4, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Faith No More - October 4, 2013 at 9:48 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 4, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 4, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 4, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Rational AKD - October 4, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 4, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Cheerful Charlie - October 19, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 4, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Doubting Thomas - October 4, 2013 at 1:32 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Brian37 - October 4, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 4, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 4, 2013 at 8:40 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by DeistPaladin - October 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Minimalist - October 4, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by FallentoReason - October 4, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Cheerful Charlie - October 19, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Tonus - October 19, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by bennyboy - October 19, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: standard of evidence - by Angrboda - October 20, 2013 at 8:13 am

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