Ethics

[genkaus]

Yes, religion is a tool for controlling people. But I'm not wrong, it's about enforcing ethics on people.

Yes, enforcing ethics as a gambit to control people. And ethics like that are usually quite bad.

And don't tell me you disagree with my ethics, I didn't fully explain them to you.

You don't need to. Based on your judgment of religious ethics, your own are quite obvious.

As sure as the cops enforce the law, the religious enforce the law of the supernatural, and these laws are meant to be ethical truths.

Except, the basis for laws is government's authority - which, unlike the supernatural, not only provably exists, but is capable of reason. Given that the basis for religious ethics itself is false, it cannot, in any sense, be regarded to represent ethical "truths".

I'm sorry but your argument is uneducated. You say that religion is about killing the infidels, when that's against the law of most religions. If a person wants to kill infidels, it most likely isn't alright with their religion.

On the contrary - it is alright with their religion. It is the government that objects.

I'll agree with you that there isn't a god but I'm not going to agree with you that religion somehow tells people to do bad stuff, and is bad, most religious people see their faith as guidance on how to lead a good life, and the majority rules.

Wrong. Most people do see their faith as a guide on how to live a good life, but what they fail to realize is that actually following their faith leads to a bad life. And it isn't majority rules, it is dogma rules. Your agreement is immaterial - religions can and do ask quite a few terrible things of their followers.

I'm right, and you're wrong, bashing religions as if they want to harm people when all they ever do is go on and on about morality and being good to people, if a person sets out to do bad, then he's not doing religious work, even if they do it in the name of religion.

I'm right and you're wrong. I'm bashing religions because their morality is all about harming people - despite their claims to the contrary.

There's a difference between politics and religion, however both have power. Think of a chess board. A king, queen, bishop, knight, rook, and pawns. What is the job of the bishop? It is to be an ethical voice in the ear of the ruthless king who sets out to destroy the other king. Of course, in the game the bishop moves diagonally and also kills.

You hear your chess-pieces talking to each-other? That's strange. Mine never do that.

So if you're complaining about diagonal moves, remember that for the most part, it is because people do not understand ethics.

Oh, religious people understand their religion's ethics just fine. You are the one who doesn't understand ethics.

The church doesn't do that. Followers do that. The worst thing a priest would ever do to you is tell you you're going to hell. The enforcers of religion are bound to follow their ethical rules very strictly. They can't break the ten commandments.

Ofcourse. The pope wasn't at fault for calling for crusades, the soldiers who answered were. The Imams aren't at fault for issuing Fatwas - the men who enforce it are.

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That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Mostly because there isn't homosexuality in the bible, so the bible didn't say it. If someone said it's a sin, then whatever, they can say what they want. Perhaps they just don't understand the motive of gay people because the bible says to be fruitful and multiply, and gay people physically can't multiply.

Zip up. Your ignorance is showing.


Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."