(October 16, 2013 at 2:07 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:(October 16, 2013 at 12:46 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Only God knows your heart. As a practical matter Scripture tells is that we know people by their fruits.I have a gay couple as neighbors and they seem like the most loving, joyous, peaceful, patient, kind, good, faithful, gentle and self-controlled people I've met in a long time. Fruit like that Chad, or are you so discerning that the verses that immediately precede these are held to a higher degree of credibility in the Cherry Pickers Buybull? Most self-proclaimed christians don't have half of the qualities (fruit) listed in Galatians 5:22-23, but share more than one or two features found in the preceding verses (5:19-21) condemning the sinful acts of the flesh, namely; Sexual immorality, impurity, Idolatry, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, self-ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, and drunkenness. Now Chad, these are the qualities that describe most of the christians I know or have ever known. It seems that "they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven." (I've bolded the sinful acts of the flesh that Paul has condemned. I see most christians regularly engaged in as a daily lifestyle)
Theists think that all of the good stuff in the buybull is talking about them, and they think that all of the condemnation crap in the buybull is aimed at atheists. It's simple really. Oh, sure, they may dispute this fact, but just "look at their friut" and you'll know the truth.
Actually - statistics show that theists are NOT more moral than non-theists and they are more likely to commit murder - among other things.
One of the basics of being human is some type of intelligence. From there we can reason things to be good or bad - right or wrong - etc - no religion needed. The so called golden rule existed in lots of different populations - long before the jews - much less the supposed time of the christ myth.
According to the bible - the correct way to deal with a disobedient child is to take him to the outskirts of town and STONE HIM TO DEATH. Yet - today - very few xtians actually do that - even if their bible say that is what they should do - and that is because they DON"T believe in that.
THe bible instructs slaves on how to obey their masters - yet today - few xtians are in favor of slavery - either - because they don't believe in it.
In fact - there are so many things I could bring up - that xtians today do not believe in - that so say they believe in the bible itself is hilarious.
AS far as how theists feel about atheists = why would an atheist care?
WE are too busy leading moral - ethical - and productive lives - If someone does not like me because I prefer reality to fantasy= I could not care less. I have plenty of friends who I do associate with - both atheists and theists - who do not judge on that basis. -
There are good people of every kind - and you cannot tell by their appearance nor their beliefs - it is their ACTIONS that shows it. WHen a theist says he will pray for something - that means his has NO intention of actually doing anything worthwhile.