A problem with how theists think.

[RozKek]

I have heard and seen many theists ask "How did the universe come into existence? Where did the first cell/matter come from? Where did the Big Bang come from? etc" something along those lines. (Although that is a really weak argument and isn't evidence at all.)

You say that is illogical, but really, if you think about it, how logical is it that the first thing to exist/be is insanely complex with super intelligence, with the ability to do exactly everything, see everything, even change/break the laws of the universe (omnipotent). Pretty much do everything he/she/it wills.

[Minimalist]

Theists don't think.  They simply quote their fucking bible or koran.

[LastPoet]

Theists usually apply more scrutiny to a science book than to their favorite holy book.

[RozKek]

Theists don't think.  They simply quote their fucking bible or koran.

Woah, woah. Let's not get haram in here.

[brewer]

OK, stop the fantasy ride. I want to get off now.

[robvalue]

They seem to bypass three very important points when they blurt out this kind of question:

1) What assumptions am I already making, by phrasing the question this way?

2) Just because I can ask a question, it doesn't mean there is a meaningful answer to it; either at all, or within the limits of our ability to study the subject.

3) If no one can provide an answer to my question, that doesn't mean my unsupported answer wins by default.

[robvalue]

Let me give an example for each of the above:

1) "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

2) "What is the best colour?"

3) "Whose car is this? If no one here can tell me, then it's mine."

[RozKek]

They seem to bypass three very important points when they blurt out this kind of question:

1) What assumptions am I already making, by phrasing the question this way?

2) Just because I can ask a question, it doesn't mean there is a meaningful answer to it; either at all, or within the limits of our ability to study the subject.

3) If no one can provide an answer to my question, that doesn't mean my unsupported answer wins by default.

I think many bypass those because they're heavily affected by a state of cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias. They just have to realise it, but unfortunately many people even ignore their confirmation bias and their cognitive dissonance.

[robvalue]

Yeah. It's what happens when you work backwards from a conclusion, instead of forwards from evidence.

[vorlon13]

The Mormon hierarchy comes right out and says with their revelations and pronouncements, the thinking has ALREADY BEEN DONE. Clearly, the pew warmers and check writers are not encouraged to ask questions or spend any time considering the folderol and balderdash the LDS poobahs regurgitate all over them.