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[Cheerful Charlie]

the problem of evil is answered by Plantinga's free will defense.

Baloney. Plantinga claims God values free will so that he must allow evil done by our free will. His free will defense in a nutshell.

But God does not.

Romans 11. Why did the Jews not accept Jesus as son of God and messiah? Because God hardened the hearts not to. Now it is not said why God did not change the Jews to all believe, or all men in fact. It is a simply stupid chapter that tells us God does not value our free will.

Plantinga's FWD is based on some rather big strawmen and is simply not correct.

There are other strawmen involved in Plantinga's FWD.

Cheerful Charlie

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You're moving the goal posts when we say, "here's an amputee, have God heal him." Knowing that that would never happen, you move the goal posts by saying "God doesn't have to answer our prayers."

that's not moving the goal posts. that's you creating a straw man that involves God bending to your every whim, and me denying that. and no, i'm not denying it just because I know it won't happen. it can be shown all over in the bible that God doesn't always do as we ask.

Mark 16
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Mark 11:23
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

John 14
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

James 5
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The bible makes claims that are obviously false. End of argument. No further special pleading accepted.

Cheerful Charlie