Religious moderates enable religious extremists

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Human rights, equality, charities, care for the poor, hospitals, schools and the end of the slave trade are disfigurements are they? You think this is a disfigurement?

My submission is that those things were the products of the people involved, and not the religion. All those charitable emotions and acts are within all of us, all your religion does is steal the credit for them.

Incidentally, I find it hilarious that you would start with human rights and equality, because the one thing your religion can do is inspire hate where none would otherwise exist, and christianity in particular has been used to justify human rights violations including the slave trade, and the inequality of gays and women even today.

... Oh, but I'm sure in your mind the reverse of what I just said is true, no? Let me nip that in the bud: the hate in this case requires "god wants x!" which isn't something you'll see from atheists, yet you do see the charity from them.

All the cultural achievements all the positive changes in human life? The art the music the literature? It's a disfigurement? Are you sure it's not bringing out the very best of human potential?

It's stealing credit for human brilliance. Since you can't prove its true, and all...

Demonstrably in your own imagined world that has nothing to do with real human history at all? Now yes some people have done some bad things in the name of religion but worse things were done for political and secular ideologies. Many of these ideologies were influenced by Darwinian science (fascism) and atheism (Communism) were talking millions of people killed. Everything considered religion has achieved more.

Oh, silly boy: name me a single ideology that committed atrocities in the name of disbelief in god. Since I know you can't, then wouldn't you say that there were other factors motivating these things? Say, greed or a lust for power or anything else?

Given that you can now not draw a link between atheism and communism, let's look at your other claim: if fascism drew any inspiration from evolutionary science, then it was a drastic misunderstanding of how the theory works, for one. Secondly, I think you'll find that you're thinking of the philosophical concept of survival of the fittest- not actually a tenet of evolution, fool- and not natural selection, which works completely contrary to the acts of a fascist regime.

So, both of those things were inspired by evolution and atheism in the sense that they neither understood nor acted in ways in keeping with those two concepts, and in fact did literally the opposite, and in the latter case did so without ever doing so in the name of the sole atheist position.

They were influenced by those secular things in the sense that they weren't at all influenced by them.

Nope you have been brainwashed into believed that God/religion is a force for evil when in reality it has been quite the opposite.

"Nope?" Wow! I've never thought about it like that before! "Nope!" I'm totally convinced!

Holy hell. "Nope." I was totally wrong. Thank you for changing my mind with your bland assertion that I'm wrong, you goddamn idiot.

Yes but why would you feel the need?

Because creation is tremendously satisfying. Because charity makes one feel good, and helps people. Because we are strengthened as a group through our artistic endeavors and acts of kindness.

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in your god, and yet somehow I find the will to both write and do creative things, and do charity work on the side. It's not fucking rocket science, and it's the reason why I'm confident in presenting this idea that your religion has nothing to do with the human spirit, except the ways in which it harms us.

You can see there is a a spark of something good within humanity and that something is God. You will find it in the human heart. I don't give shit if you think it's some kind of a myth the results speak for themselves.

The results of human strength and creativity, yes. They do speak for themselves, without any input from your god.

Eternally afterwards or for a few decades of life?

Those few decades are the only time they have, Sword.

Because they are made in Gods image and God is fucking fantastic. You think we're all just fucking machines!

Wow, more telling me what I think. Go fuck yourself.

For the record, I think we're the product of millions of years of evolution, small parts in an enormous creative engine that spans the entire globe. I think we're the crest of the wave, the current cognitive best that this process can produce, capable of immense feats of creativity when we put our minds to it. I think we're going to be superseded by what comes next, that our fate is to be the giants whose shoulders the next generation will stand upon, and that we have a duty to make the world better for them.

I think all of that without the need for a god, nor any real interest in one. And I think it's sad that you're so reliant on your magic sky daddy that you can't see all that too without it.

Because they achieved what they achieved through God regardless.

Yes, that's the theft of human accomplishment I was talking about before. Thanks for giving a great example.

Again it doesn't matter if you think God is a myth or doesn't exist and it doesn't matter what you think of the Church. You're not going to erase the good of humanity and turn us into machines. We are not machine we are the creations of God loved by God everyone with equal worth to God. Your man made ideology is literally nothing at all.

You keep telling me what I believe, I'll keep telling you what to go fuck.

Hint: it's yourself.

Christ is triumphant over your false man made ideology, the fruits of God and his relationship to humanity and the good within the heart of humanity is clear even to you.

Proof, or get the fuck out.

Oh, and by the way, quit it with the youtube videos. I know you think you're some kind of theological genius, but you just look like a child gloating over an argument they can't see the major, glaring flaw in because they're using kid logic.

You look like a dick. Maybe you are one- it seems likely- but it'd be great if maybe you could at least try not to appear as one. Cover up the tip with a hat or something.