(October 24, 2013 at 6:32 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote:(October 22, 2013 at 5:28 am)Rayaan Wrote: But if you just did a quick search in google about 9/11 whistleblowers, then maybe you would have known this. I did that and that's why I know.
You did, and that's why you don't know. You did a "quick search in google" and immediately decided to throw up whatever shallow-surfaced tripe you read without even bothering to check the credibility of your sources? Do you seriously believe I'm going to consider that a strong point for your argument?? We're dealing with matters that, if true, are of immense importance; doing some basic fact-checking on the sources you're digging up instead of just mining for whatever it is that you think validates your belief is a necessity for such matters, especially if you want to sound credible yourself. If I was being consistently shown information that I couldn't easily tear apart by cutting a mere inch deeper into the surface than you have, I would say you're bringing up valid points.
I don't mean to cast aspersion upon an entire class of people without justification, but this appears to be a Muslim thing, that putting a few relevant words into a google search and counting any hits as confirmation is the equivalent of research and scholarship. It isn't. The last time I disputed Rayaan on a matter, his 'evidence' was the results of a google search, of which, the third hit in the search was a refutation of his claim. Yet for shitheads like Rayaan, this constitutes research and evidence. I've noted similar behavior among other Muslims I've encountered on the internet, and it's a behavior which seems foreign to other intellectual communities. And it's pathetic.
For what it's worth, sometime in the past two years, I spent several weeks doing dedicated research on the subject, reading both the claims and the rebuttals, and watching some of the videos. What I determined is that 'truthers' lie and distort things a lot. Whenever you go to research the facts on a truther claim, what you find is significantly different from what the truther led you to believe. When they aren't lying, they're misleading with illogical argument, emotional rhetoric, JAQing off (RationalWiki: ), or playing 'blame the skeptic'. Truthers are full of shit.
I have no interest in debating incompetents who are neither interested in the facts nor honesty, and like pressuppositionalists, just want to bury you in a mountain of bullshit questions and claims. Fuck that, and fuck truthers.