Calling Out Demolition Deniers

[Creed of Heresy]

You did, and that's why you don't know. You did a "quick search in google" and immediately decided to throw up whatever shallow-surfaced tripe you read without even bothering to check the credibility of your sources? Do you seriously believe I'm going to consider that a strong point for your argument?? We're dealing with matters that, if true, are of immense importance; doing some basic fact-checking on the sources you're digging up instead of just mining for whatever it is that you think validates your belief is a necessity for such matters, especially if you want to sound credible yourself. If I was being consistently shown information that I couldn't easily tear apart by cutting a mere inch deeper into the surface than you have, I would say you're bringing up valid points.

I don't mean to cast aspersion upon an entire class of people without justification, but this appears to be a Muslim thing, that putting a few relevant words into a google search and counting any hits as confirmation is the equivalent of research and scholarship. It isn't. The last time I disputed Rayaan on a matter, his 'evidence' was the results of a google search, of which, the third hit in the search was a refutation of his claim. Yet for shitheads like Rayaan, this constitutes research and evidence. I've noted similar behavior among other Muslims I've encountered on the internet, and it's a behavior which seems foreign to other intellectual communities. And it's pathetic.

For what it's worth, sometime in the past two years, I spent several weeks doing dedicated research on the subject, reading both the claims and the rebuttals, and watching some of the videos. What I determined is that 'truthers' lie and distort things a lot. Whenever you go to research the facts on a truther claim, what you find is significantly different from what the truther led you to believe. When they aren't lying, they're misleading with illogical argument, emotional rhetoric, JAQing off (RationalWiki: ), or playing 'blame the skeptic'. Truthers are full of shit.

I have no interest in debating incompetents who are neither interested in the facts nor honesty, and like pressuppositionalists, just want to bury you in a mountain of bullshit questions and claims. Fuck that, and fuck truthers.

I have noticed this, too. I think it's a product of a desire of muslims who are more moderate or westernized to show that it wasn't others who share their faith that performed a terrorist attack that still hits people emotionally to at least some extent. Islam was founded on bloodshed and war, but the more modernized/westernized muslims realize that it's to no benefit of their own to incite violence; certainly, in their minds, Allah will forgive them for carefully choosing to ignore a choice few passages. They don't want to face the fact that there are others in the world who are fanatical enough to fly themselves into a building in a commercial airliner...

...And that the only theistic difference between the "moderates" and the "fundamentalists" is but maybe ten passages in the religious texts they both adhere to. They realize they are caught in the middle; between those who are "truer" to their core beliefs than they are, and between those who simply do not find their beliefs to be true at all. Both are armed, pissed, and shooting at each other. The "conspiracy" is an attempt to hold up a human meatshield, in this case the US government, for surely the corrupt western infidel leaders desire nothing but to pillage the peaceful, loving, gentle muslim world for all its "vast" resources.

Nevermind that if we REALLY wanted those resources we'd just build more offshore oil rigs to an extent that would completely sink Saudi Arabia. In fact that's the ONLY reason we don't; OPEC is the final arbiter on the oil market and they don't want the boat being rocked.

I almost pity such people...or I would, if it wasn't for the fact that they choose to adhere to a religion that makes the catholic church look like, heh, saints, rather than wondering just why it is they feel that there are certain ways they should interpret the quran...as opposed to interpreting it as the "fundamentalists" do...