RE: Russell Brand and another WTF OP/ED
November 1, 2013 at 9:21 am
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2013 at 9:25 am by Napoléon.)
(November 1, 2013 at 6:55 am)Brian37 Wrote: Holly crap, I am used to dealing with delusions from theists, but I really hate it when atheists do it.
He's not an atheist.
Quote:But doesn't vote himself, says he won't vote because it does not work.
Okay, first misrepresentation.
He doesn't actually say he doesn't vote because voting as a system doesn't work. Rather he doesn't vote in the current political climate because the amount of change that is realistically likely to happen by giving a vote is relatively small. Furthermore he does not vote not out of apathy rather of being fed up with the fact fuck all really changes when he does vote.
My reasoning for why I don't vote are much the same.
Quote:My question to this moron is, what would you replace it with?
Did you watch the whole video?
Quote:And what does he think would happen to his own personal wealth if voting were scrapped? I'll tell him what would happen. It would create a power vacuum, and that vacuum would be filled with someone with even more money than him, enough to create a monopoly on political power, like Gaddaffi, or the anarchy warlord country of Somalia. Removing voting would not guarantee the end of disparity, it would simply shift power.
Slippery slope based on nothing but a guess.
Quote:Secular systems of government are no different that dictatorships, they are both run by humans and thus subject to abuse of power, because humans have always been capable of cruelty and compassion. Voting happens in Iran too but I doubt Russell would like living there nor could he make a living making fun of religion like he does.
What on earth are you talking about? He's not even a fuckin' atheist!
Quote:Libya thought Gaddaffi overthrowing the prior democracy would cure their social ills, and all it did was allow him to become a dictator, BECAUSE OF HIS WEALTH.
You are completely misrepresenting what Russell is saying or simply flat out misunderstanding it.
Please give me one sentence where he said he's all for despotism. In fact one of his points is that we should have a massive redistribution of wealth, which if it were to happen, would make your scenario far less likely.
Quote:The problem isn't voting, the problem is humans. At least in the west, people have MORE of an opportunity than a dictatorship, to have a voice.
No one is disputing that, Brand didn't dispute that. Maybe you should listen to what it is he's actually saying about the current system instead of assuming what you obviously want him to say?
Quote:I'd say to Russell Brand, vote and or run for office, but don't bitch, and do not speak for me.
Why can't he bitch? He's living in this world just the same as you are. Are you saying he shouldn't have freedom of speech? Are you saying he shouldn't be allowed to voice discontent at the current status of our political systems?
And how is he speaking for you? Where did he once say he was speaking for everyone?
If you've got a problem with anything he's said then fair enough, actually argue him on those points. But frankly I'm wondering if you've even watched the whole video, or just blacked out at certain periods and put your own subtitles in.