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[split]Atheism is based of ignorance.
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance.
(November 1, 2013 at 11:18 pm)whateverist Wrote:
(October 31, 2013 at 4:23 pm)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: [1] Is atheism a religion? Very well, then, it's the only true religion. With strong religion, certainty as regards the omni-everything gods of Christianity,Islam et al is pretty easy.


[2] Actually, I am not religious, you like word games it seems. If I am sure about anything based on logic, I am religious? No, I am simply sure based on evidence about my lack of religion. [3] Now, how much evidence do you want that the God of Christianity and Islam are logically impossible? See my answer to Vinny above, omnigenesis.

[1] No, atheism isn't a religion, but neither does atheism "prove anything". It certainly doesn't provide you with any special source of certainty

[2] Not really but I do like to see language used with precision.

[3] I'm not aware of any evidence that the God of Christianity doesn't exist. How could one hope for any 'evidence' concerning something so poorly defined?

Of course you can make an argument given certain interpretations of what the qualities of that Christian 'god' are alleged to be. But who really can say authoritatively what those qualities really are? If you really think it's nonsense, why waste your breath?

It is important that when a dangerous idea can be debunked, to debunk it. Religion does too much damage to allow it a free ride.

The Chrisian and Islamic Gods, creator, omni-everything Gods are defined well enough to debunk. They have some broad definitions, defined by revelation, Bible, Quran etc that are self contradictory and logically impossible. Its not that hard to disprove. For Christians, these basic revelations are definitive.
As a Christian, one can abandon revelation, but that doesn't make the basic logically impossible defined attributes in the revealed books go away. Either these nooks are true revelations or not. When, to avoid these logical proofs religious believers start abandoning supposed revelation to avoid debunking, we can deny all of their supposed revelations, and that dooms their God.

My language here is written with exquisite precision, most purposefully.

If God as defined does not exist that proves rather a lot, doesn't it? And some of the strong atheism proofs i have offered not only work, but make naturalism as proven a concept as one can logically prove as a byproduct of demonstration of God's nonexistence. Read my essay, Strong Atheism - Super-omniscience as an example. By carefully examining the problem of the nature of God and the nature of omnipotence, naturalism is proven. That seems to me to matter. Rather a lot actually. Certainty is possible in some cases.

And still atheism is not a religion. despite word games to the contrary.


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Cheerful Charlie

If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain
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[split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Sword of Christ - October 7, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by LastPoet - October 9, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by pocaracas - October 9, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by max-greece - October 9, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Brian37 - October 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Brian37 - October 9, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 9, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Brian37 - November 7, 2013 at 8:56 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Minimalist - October 9, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Ryantology - October 9, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Faith No More - October 9, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 9, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Faith No More - October 10, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Ryantology - October 10, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Ryantology - October 11, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Faith No More - October 11, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Ryantology - October 11, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Faith No More - October 11, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Chas - October 11, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Faith No More - October 11, 2013 at 11:41 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bucky Ball - October 11, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Faith No More - October 11, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bucky Ball - October 11, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 11, 2013 at 2:52 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Minimalist - October 11, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bad Writer - October 9, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 3:58 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 10:10 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Gilgamesh - October 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Dunno - October 13, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by downbeatplumb - October 14, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 16, 2013 at 4:36 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bob Kelso - October 16, 2013 at 9:01 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 17, 2013 at 2:36 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 17, 2013 at 3:00 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 17, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by FallentoReason - October 17, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bob Kelso - October 17, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Cinjin - October 17, 2013 at 3:05 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by max-greece - October 17, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by downbeatplumb - October 17, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by pocaracas - October 17, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Darwinian - October 17, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by downbeatplumb - October 20, 2013 at 9:30 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Darwinian - October 20, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by downbeatplumb - October 20, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by ManMachine - October 19, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Polaris - October 19, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Cinjin - October 20, 2013 at 12:59 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Polaris - October 24, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 20, 2013 at 3:28 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bad Wolf - October 19, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Darwinian - October 20, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Polaris - October 25, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Cato - October 25, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Polaris - October 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bob Kelso - October 25, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Owlix - October 25, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Brian37 - October 25, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Whateverist - October 25, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bob Kelso - October 25, 2013 at 11:24 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Polaris - October 25, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bob Kelso - October 26, 2013 at 12:13 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Owlix - October 26, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Polaris - October 26, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Bob Kelso - October 26, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Whateverist - November 1, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Cheerful Charlie - November 2, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Whateverist - October 31, 2013 at 1:42 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Pretzel Logic - October 31, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Walking Void - November 2, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by justin - November 2, 2013 at 10:21 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 7:53 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Polaris - November 5, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - November 5, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - November 6, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - November 7, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by downbeatplumb - November 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Whateverist - November 7, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Whateverist - November 6, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Cyberman - November 5, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Whateverist - November 6, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Walking Void - November 8, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Whateverist - November 8, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Walking Void - November 8, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Walking Void - November 8, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Cyberman - November 8, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Walking Void - November 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Whateverist - November 8, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Esquilax - October 7, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Zazzy - October 7, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Bad Wolf - October 7, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Ryantology - October 9, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Chas - October 9, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Ryantology - October 9, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Chas - October 9, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Esquilax - October 8, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Esquilax - October 8, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Esquilax - October 9, 2013 at 4:13 am
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Tonus - October 9, 2013 at 6:06 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Tonus - October 9, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Esquilax - October 9, 2013 at 7:52 am
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Esquilax - October 9, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: [split]Atheism is based of ignorance. - by Mister Agenda - November 7, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Bad Wolf - October 9, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Simon Moon - October 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by Esquilax - October 9, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: Is It Hypocritical Of Me To Be Athiest? - by LastPoet - October 9, 2013 at 12:56 pm

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