(November 2, 2013 at 12:16 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Substitutionary atonement is a ridiculous and immoral doctrine.
You said 'morality.' In Hitler's germany it was considered 'immoral' to allow a jew to escape the 'final solution.' In Osama's community it was a 'moral' obligation to fly planes into buildings. When 'morality' is tied to pop culture, 'morality' is anything but righteous, and the kicker? The people who are tied to this brand of 'morality' are too close to it to ever see the evil in their own hearts.Quote:There only real atonement is between the person that has been wronged and person that wronged them.Indeed. When one sins God is the one being 'wronged.' Therefore you owe a debt to God.
Just like if I invited you over to my house and you poop on the nice new carpet in my living room floor, you owe me a debt. This world, this life, belongs to God in the same way. Therefore the debt you owe belongs to God and as such He can determine how to collect.
As it is He has decided to get His son to pay for the damage you have done, and all anyone has to do is simply acknoweledge that the Son has paid the debt owed, and all is forgiven. For those who do not want to have the son pay their debt? They still owe it themselves and as you said:
"There only real atonement is between the person that has been wronged and person that wronged them"
Quote:Just another in the long line of examples of how Christianity forces people to surrender their morality.Which is a bad thing? how so? if your 'morality' is based on popular belief, and no real standards of any kind then how can you possiable know if what you are doing is truly 'moral'/Righteous?
