Christians forgive themselves

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I have yet to meet a christian who meets that criteria. The best that has been achieved is to follow some of christ's teachings

The only standard for christianity is a belief in Jesus. That's it. No more.

There are an estimated 43,000 different denominations of christianity. One church even split due to an argument over whether or not adam had a bellybutton. I shit you not; it resulted in a church called the navalites.

So tell me again about this amazing christian unity of yours.

If the holy spirit is guiding you, i think you'd be better off getting a satnav.

I know several "true" Christians. If you don't associate with them on a spiritual level how can you judge them to be spiritual? Do you even know what constitutes a "spiritual" state of being?

And conversely I know several "false" Christians. Some in my own extended family! And the funny thing is they believe they are "true" Christians! My father who is an atheist, and my brother who is an agnostic are more trusted by me, than most of the "false" Christians I know!

So there you have it!

You're forgetting that many/most atheists are former christians thelmselves. They know exactly what you're talking about and they rejected it after realising it was a load of equine excreta.

No. They don't know "exactly" what I'm talking about!

To "know" the Holy Spirit is a life changing experience! There is NO turning away.

What they "reject" is what they "don't know". And frankly... which may surprise you.... I don't blame them at all.

What I do blame, is ignorance of what isn't known!

I respect my "kid" brother much more than my father in their views of religion! Although my brother "won't" believe, his mind is totally open. My father on the other hand? Totally close-minded about the existence of God.

But, fear drives my fathers anger. Apathy (from God) drives my brother's argument.

So, I've had more conversations, and arguments about God w/ anti's & aggy's than I can count! Much to the dismay of family gatherings! We can clear a room in under a minute!