RE: Refuting Evolution
November 12, 2013 at 2:25 am
(This post was last modified: November 12, 2013 at 2:34 am by Angrboda.)
(November 12, 2013 at 2:00 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(November 11, 2013 at 2:37 pm)apophenia Wrote: As I recently learned, as an argument from design is an analogy which demonstrates *only* the possibility of a designer and nothing more, and not necessarily 'a creator', this argument fails to demonstrate the existence of the specific godly thing you are trying to prove exists. Human designers work with pre-existing materials to 'create' new things all the time. That Leonardo da Vinci 'designed' the Mona Lisa says nothing about who provided the paint he used to paint it with. Even if I grant the existence of a designer on this basis, ex hypothesi, it does not get you to a creator god.
Since you need to prove both a) a designer, and b) that designer is also the creator, then you have just,
I proved the creator in the other thread
No, you most assuredly did not. What you did demonstrate, was that with regard to the mathematics you referenced in your 'proof', you don't know your ass from your asymptote. First, you asserted (twice) that if a function had a limit of a certain value as it approaches a point (toward the limit of), that it then necessarily would have either that value at that point, or be zero (which itself is a value). It does not necessarily have a value (i.e. 'is defined') at the limit even if the limit was defined. This is a freshman level calculus / numerical integration misunderstanding, and if I were still back in college grading math papers for a prof, I'd have been covering your paper with red ink at that point. What you had was an open interval in which the limit at one excluded end-point was defined, but the function itself was not. This was explained to you, but you ignored the notice like a half-comatose grandpa, obliviously mowing down speed bumps, and not stopping. I ignored your ignorant dismissal of the mathematical point because it's obvious, in terms of the mathematics that your proof requires, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Secondarily, if you can't explicitly link designer + creator, your demonstrating there was 'a designer' is irrelevant to a discussion about a creator god, offers no support for the existence of, or other arguments for, that creator god, and is thus exceedingly guilty of the fallacious, ignoratio elenchi just referenced. For all you know, the 'designer' was an alien in a different 'brane' (think parallel dimension), and that designer's existence says absolutely dick squat about the 'creator' of this brane (this set of temporal + spatial dimensions).