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Reflecting on Atheism.
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RE: Reflecting on Atheism.
(November 10, 2013 at 11:48 am)arvind13 Wrote: You see, the 'fact' that that atheism is found all over the world, only makes sense if one assumes that religion is found all over the world i.e a cultural universal. Most (99.99999%) anthropologists agree that this is the case. But there is new research coming out challenging this assumption that religion is found in all (or most) societies.

I think you are missing the larger point I was making.

The john Grey statement you quoted in your op was making the point that atheism exists and will have a future in a Christians world. He seems to be making 2 mistakes from what I can tell:

1. atheism is the opposite of Christianity (or at least the opposite of theistic religions). Which is wrong.
2. that atheism, as the position of having no beliefs in the existence of gods, needs theism to exist at all.

Then you replied,

Quote:You see, the 'fact' that that atheism is found all over the world, only makes sense if one assumes that religion is found all over the world i.e a cultural universal. Most (99.99999%) anthropologists agree that this is the case.

Which I also disagree with.

Seems you might be confusing the label 'atheist' or 'atheism' with the actual meaning of the terms. And so does John Grey.

If theistic religions disappeared tomorrow, atheists would still exist, in that people would not believe in the existence of gods, but the label would no longer be necessary.

Think about it this way, do you feel the need to label yourself a 'spherical earther'?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - October 20, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Minimalist - October 20, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - October 20, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by pineapplebunnybounce - October 21, 2013 at 12:37 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Trino34 - November 15, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by MindForgedManacle - November 15, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Sejanus - October 21, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Cinjin - October 21, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Bob Kelso - October 21, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 21, 2013 at 2:32 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by DLJ - October 21, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Kayenneh - October 21, 2013 at 3:48 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by pocaracas - October 21, 2013 at 4:02 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - October 21, 2013 at 4:27 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Cheerful Charlie - October 21, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Einharjar - October 24, 2013 at 12:53 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Zen Badger - October 24, 2013 at 1:10 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Cheerful Charlie - October 30, 2013 at 8:44 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Ayen - November 9, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Marvin - November 9, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Simon Moon - November 9, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 10, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Simon Moon - November 12, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 10, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 10, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 10, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 10, 2013 at 9:22 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by pocaracas - November 11, 2013 at 6:11 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 11, 2013 at 12:34 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 11, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by pocaracas - November 12, 2013 at 5:46 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Faith No More - November 10, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 10, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 10, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Faith No More - November 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Kayenneh - November 10, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Zen Badger - November 11, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by KichigaiNeko - November 11, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 12, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 13, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 13, 2013 at 7:56 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Brian37 - November 13, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 15, 2013 at 8:43 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 15, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 15, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 15, 2013 at 11:45 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by pocaracas - November 15, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 15, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 16, 2013 at 12:06 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 16, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 16, 2013 at 2:29 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 16, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by pocaracas - November 16, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 16, 2013 at 9:45 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 16, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 17, 2013 at 4:24 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 18, 2013 at 2:39 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 18, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 18, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 21, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 23, 2013 at 9:39 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by genkaus - November 23, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Bipolar Bob - November 15, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 15, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by MindForgedManacle - November 16, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 16, 2013 at 12:42 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Marvin - November 16, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 16, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Bipolar Bob - November 16, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 16, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Bob Kelso - November 16, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 16, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Bob Kelso - November 16, 2013 at 1:32 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 16, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by pocaracas - November 16, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Bipolar Bob - November 16, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by pocaracas - November 16, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Bob Kelso - November 16, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by MindForgedManacle - November 17, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 20, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 21, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by arvind13 - November 23, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by MindForgedManacle - November 23, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 23, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Michael Schubert - November 23, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by The Reality Salesman - November 24, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Reflecting on Atheism. - by Michael Schubert - November 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm

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