(November 13, 2013 at 10:44 pm)Chuck Wrote: You can kill yourself for any reason you deem appropriate upon some reflection. I will not raise an eyebrow at the notion that your life is worth less to you, and therefore worth less in any term of significance, than the risk of suffering another stubbed toe.
You can, yes. But does that mean you should?

Quote:The value of your life is the lesser of whatever net value you place on it, and the maximum cost you can get away with incurring on the society to keep you alive.
Based on this little formula you've created, where do Downs syndrome patients rate in terms of worth to you? Most live in group homes funded by the state and they are fed clothed medicated treated and cared for by society as they cannot do any of these things themselves. They're jUst aware enough to know they're not right.
Quote:As to the notion of someone believing one thing and doing another, a believe is pure hot air if it is not both demonstrably actionable at a suitable scale, and demonstrably productive of the end which is used to justify it.
whoa could you rephrase that and dumb it down to my level?
Quote: The three examples you deemed irrelevant shows even those reasonably expected to hold And advance your sort of beliefs most fervently have not managed to show your beliefs to be actionable in any significant scale. So there is not even the question of your beliefs being productive of the ends used to justify it, much less whether those ends themselves are, upon final analysis, justifiable.
Go back to square one and don't presume to pester us from a make belief pulpit of bare assertions.
Did I miss the part where the equally valued opinion of a human being was skewed by religion in his/her case? Did they say "you can't commit suicide because its not your life its gods?"
Did I miss god spoutage or are you just that prejudicial that you can't have a reasonable conversation with a human being because they have a differing standpoint from yourself and hold that religious title (which they did not even bring to the table in this topic--you did)?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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