anyone else here not pro life for the sake of being pro life?

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I get really irritated when people say suicide is selfish and wrong and stuff.

Well... it often is selfish, but selfishness is not always a bad thing. Suicide can be an utterly selfless thing too, but issue isn't often had with suicide performed for the sake of others.

That said, it being 'right or wrong' depends on many factors... including who is perceiving said factors. Some people would consider one's suicide to be the right course of action... take the government of a captured spy, for example. Others would be incredibly against it.

Ultimately, suicide is the decision of the one. All I ask when someone is considering suicide is that they consider many things prior to it.

I think suicide is what happens when a person is pushed to a point where he can't take it anymore and just wants the pain to stop.

Or, it might be when one recognizes that they stand to gain little despite great struggle, and they are utterly unsatisfied with what they have.

Or, it might be when one believes another (whom they care about, likely) will gain (or lose) far more (less) from their death... than from their continued existence.

Or, it might be a spur of the moment decision made in haste for any given reason (or absence of such).

Lots of reasons a person might consider killing themselves.

They say "oh u can get psychiatric help" but psychiatric help doesn't always help.

I think under circumstances suicide should be acceptable.

Some say that. There's usually little harm in attempting to live when one wishes to die.

I think that suicide should always be 'acceptable'

For example if I was paralyzed I wouldn't want to live just because everyone who isn't paralyzed tells me I'm coward if I die, its easy for them to be so pro life when they have healthy bodies.

Having a healthy body isn't the same as having a good life. Having an unhealthy body isn't the same as having a poor life. That isn't to say it doesn't affect a life (or even that it affects life little)... but I can very well see a set of circumstances where I'd be plenty happy to live out my life unable to take care of myself.

That said, I consider such to be extremely unlikely.

I really hated in my old Christian communities how they were so pro life for the sake of their morals rather than caring about how Much a person is suffering.

There's more to life than suffering or not suffering. Suffering (current, past, and future) is something to be weighed when considering suicide... but it certainly should not encompass the whole of one's consideration.

What is the atheist stance on suicide/euthanasia? Now I know from my previous thread y'all said atheists don't follow a dogma u guys just don't believe in a god, but seems like u all do agree in what u believe, ie: u all thought holistic medicine was bs.

There is no 'atheist stance' on suicide/euthanasia. Many *humans* subscribe to similar beliefs. I am very likely quite differing from many other's beliefs... and yet most seem able to follow mine (and understand them). We're sort of a race built on being able to empathize

Not all atheists believe holistic medicines to be bullshit.

So how do we feel about euthanasia?

No idea how 'we' feel regarding such... *I* feel next to nothing about euthanasia. I am neither for it, nor against it, as a rule.

Its really frustrating cuz I seem to be the only person in the world who thinks that in many cases suicide is better than living.

Well... you're not I wouldn't personally be here if I didn't have a lover, close friends, and a mother who would all be hurt if I were to, ah, die. Give it a few years, though, and I (hopefully) wouldn't be giving up my continued existence