(November 18, 2013 at 2:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Where was the evidence for christ in that lot?Perhaps you should read his question more carefully, that isn't what he asked, this is what he asked:
Um no, there is no contemporary outside evidence during the alleged time of the character's existence.
(November 18, 2013 at 6:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You gave me pictures from what an apology website? You do know the difference between historical archeologists and theologians right? You also know that "Jesus" was a common name back then.a. Pfft, hardly - you can see for yourself how many different websites the pictures are on, I simply searched for the images and posted them for you.
b. What does any of what I just gave you have to do with the name Jesus?
Quote:"Pauls"? you proved the existence of a writer? None of the gospels were written during the alleged character's life.That's true for anyone else from that period in history - go find me something written on Josephus from the time of his life, or something written on Pontius Pilatus or something written on Julius Caesar, etc. And just because you find a bust or some coins or some other monument like say a mile marker, doesn't count as finding a written record since this is what you clearly expect to find - so go and produce them for other people from the ancient world, if you can?
Oh wait - I can. James, Peter, Paul and Luke all write about living contemporaries in their works, no one disputes this, so see if you can find the same level of evidence for anyone else from that time.
Quote:The Romans during the alleged life of your ficitonal super hero would have taken notice of this uppity guy, no record DURING THE time frame in question of the Romans ever noticing. The Romans were also excellent sensus takers.There's no outside written record of Pontius Pilatus, and yet he held office. There's almost no outside written record of Quirinius, and he held office.
We have busts of Herod the Great - but guess what? That's right, no contemporary writings.
Your expectations are completely unrealistic.
Quote:Oh and you also know that forgery was rampant back then. No different than faking a autographed baseball. The shroud is the biggest fraud people know about.Obviously forgery was rampant, that's why there are gnostic texts.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke



