(November 18, 2013 at 7:21 pm)Brakeman Wrote:(November 18, 2013 at 2:50 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Hyperbole, {=dialog}
verbal abuse, {=dialog}
peer pressure, {=dialog}
mockery, {=dialog}
argumentum ad hominem, {=dialog}
generalisation, {=dialog}
Reductio ad hitlerium, {=dialog}
straw man, {=dialog}
and the needless use of bold type. {=dialog}
For a start.
Want examples? I'm sure you can find all of those from atheists if you have a look.
Unless, like so many Christians, you are blind to the faults of people and groups who support your position.
All of your examples were forms of dialog that are given in the contrary position of those given by theists. Furthermore these dialogs are typical of how humans talk to each other on today's internet. The same styles would be used if we were talking about peoples' favorite band or their favorite cars. While sure, it would be nice if everyone used proper argumentative styles and politeness, it says nothing about ATHEIST's tools that can be carried too far, these points of "impoliteness" aren't related to the belief or unbelief of gods, but solely on the manners of individual atheists. None of the above are true tools of atheism, all atheist's attacks on the delusions of religion can be conveyed easily without malice. Desiree's comment was not that atheists shouldn't attack religion because atheists might pick up rude bad habits from theists. Her point was that we should live and let live on the stupidity of religious thought, that there is folly in countering the tenants of religion if you don't "have to."
You said there was a slippery slope that atheists could fall in, but none of the examples you gave are indicative of any "slippery slope." Are you taking that comment back yet, or do you really have any examples of tools that constitute a slippery slope danger?
Maybe it would help you if I gave you some slippery slope pitfalls that the theists have and maybe you can find an atheist counterpart.
1. Violence against heretics
2. child abuse by circumcision, male and female
3. Endangering people through the handling of poisonous snakes in rituals.
4. Ritualistic human sacrifice
5. Inhuman cruelty to prisoners
6. Hanging gays
7. burning witches
8. burning jews alive for host nailing desecrations
9. Stymieing science that does not support creationism
10. Prohibiting helpful medical procedures.
Those are just a few to get you started.. I'm sure you'll get the drift with these. I don't see any of those becoming a risk for atheists.
Ah, sorry, I was shooting for your first set of goalposts. Initially you said;-
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In most cases it would seem so, but not in this case because of the tools we use. There is no way to "overdose" on logic and reason. It's not even like water where you can drown. You only get into trouble when you diverge from logic and reason."
So I gave you examples of when atheists diverge from logic and reason. Hadn't noticed you'd switched it to Dialog.
Just so I know what I'm arguing with are you amending your statement above to say that you only get in trouble when you diverge from DIALOG?
Either way is fine, just need to know which position you wish to defend.
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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code