RE: This is why I hate people who hate "fucking christians"
November 19, 2013 at 6:14 pm
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2013 at 6:19 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:(November 18, 2013 at 7:21 pm)Brakeman Wrote: ...Maybe it would help you if I gave you some slippery slope pitfalls that the theists have and maybe you can find an atheist counterpart.The way humans resort to violence to resolve conflict is instinctive and anthropological. It’s embedded in our selfish DNA. On naturalism/Darwinism, it’s quite normal.
1. Violence against heretics
So your beef isn’t against theism, it’s against human nature.
I'll bite. Before you can have religoius heresy, you first have to have religious dogma. Without religion you would still have violence...but not violence against heretics.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: If you say (my) religion is false, abnormal, irrational, etc. that may be because the notion of unselfishly loving your enemy goes against your basic human nature – being told why and how to change that deepest ugly instinct bothers a lot of people.
If it was common for members of your religion to show that they're able to love their enemies, it would be impressive. It's the hypocrisy of simultaneously failing to meet that standard and bragging about having it that grates.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 2. child abuse by circumcision, male and female
You rail against circumcision of infants but abortion of unborn babies doesn’t get a mention. Yeah. I’ve seen that double-standard a LOT.
For it to be a double standard, the same reasoning would have to apply in both cases. The reasoning against both is various, but since one of the main arguments against legally preventing abortion is that the unborn's rights don't trump the mother's, it's not a double-standard, regardless of whether abortion is ethical or not.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 3. Endangering people through the handling of poisonous snakes in rituals.
If people want to handle snakes to get a religious “high” that bothers you but you don’t see the anti-religion whiners saying that drugs should be banned.
It's unlikey if someone drops a reefer that it will crawl into, say, a baby's blankets.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 4. Ritualistic human sacrifice
Is there any modern day equivalent of human sacrifice? Yep. YOU BET!
We sacrifice human babies by the thousands every year just so we can continue to worship the gods of sexual hedonism and mammon/wealth.
Rather than going in depth, I'll just point out that abortion isn't ritualistic, and therefore this comment fails to actually attempt to be a rebuttal...but if it were, it would be 'tu quoque'.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 5. Inhuman cruelty to prisoners
Yeah, I know right! It’s horrible how they treat them like common criminals - murderers and robbers and rapists.
Jesus had compassion for prisoners.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 6. Hanging gays
The Old Testament doesn’t condemn people for being “gay” it condemns sex outside marriage and two men can’t be ‘married’
Interestingly, there arent any examples in the bible of gay people being subject to Mosaic Law capital punishment. Tough penalties probably provided sufficient deterrence.
That's why no one commits crimes that have the death penalty attached...oh, wait, they do. There's no reason to think that executions weren't carried out according to the law because no one broke the law. It would be more reasonable to supposte they WERE carried out and not recorded, or that they weren't carried out because weren't such big fans of the death penalty as the Bible makes them out to be. How many of ANY executions are described in the Bible?
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 7. burning witches
Hansel and Gretel were kidnapped by a witch – a proper evil witch, not a fake, incense and quartz crystals pretender. In that story, the witch was planning to murder and cannibalize innocent children. Wouldn’t YOU kill such a criminal to prevent such a horrific crime?
Are you toking or do you actually expect us to treat you bringing up a fairy tale as a counter to the point?
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Funny how many ppl are opposed to capital punishment shown in the bible, but hold a double-standard when it comes to killing Usama bin Laden or dropping atom bombs on Japanese cities.
Anyone in particular in mind? Osama bin Laden should have been brought to justice and to trial, no matter how inconvenient it was. An uninhabited island should have been nuked as our demonstration of the power of the weapon before it was used on a city.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 8. burning jews alive for host nailing desecrations
Disgusting. Where is that in the bible?
The points were about what theists have done, not what's in the Bible.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 9. Stymieing science that does not support creationism
What? Science doesn’t need to be “stymied”. Science has done more to validate theistic cosmology than it has to invalidate anything biblical.
The fact that you can say that with a straight face is evidence of the damage creationism has done regarding science.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: What I find bizarre is the way people who are supposedly open-minded and willing to consider all theories as tentative, fight tooth and nail to stop schools discussing the probability of intentional design/teleology. Why the censorship of ideas?
Why do you want to use science classes to teach your ideas to other people's children without getting them established as science first? Answer: children are impressionable, science journals are tough.
(November 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 10. Prohibiting helpful medical procedures.
Whats the issue here? Are “helpful” medical procedures going to become mandatory?
The issue is that helpful medical procedures shouldn't be prohibited. It has nothing to do with making them mandatory, which is an ENTIRELY separate issue.