This is why I hate people who hate "fucking christians"

[Jacob(smooth)]

Here ya go Brakeman, since you squibbed it when I challenged you on the 10 points WHICH YOU BROUGHT INTO the thread, let’s see if we can get things back “on topic” …err, I mean,
back onto something you are willing to discuss.

What do you think of the logic here;


Squarely down the middle? Equal in numbers? Are there bad ‘good’ people and good ‘bad’ people? What about the sub-groups?

If you had been able to read the post with adequate comprehension, you would have seen that the ten items were examples of possible pitfalls on the theistic side that must logically have a similar mirrored atheistic pitfall if the premise of Deidre's and Jacob's claim of similar slippery slope pitfalls were true. It was not an attempt nor an invitation to bring 10 new completely unrelated topics into the discussion. A careful read shows that clearly.
I invited you to start a new thread on those topics if you wished, but instead of doing so, you simply make empty postures.

As for Jacob's "we're all equally bad" claim, I don't think it's true, useful, or applicable to the issue. I don't think it's true because atheists are, on the whole, non-violent. I don't think it's useful, because that statement claims that atheists and theists are on the same level, thus there is no slope to be slippery on. I don't think it is applicable to the discussion because the behavior of the general population, of which is made up of theists and atheists, has the same level of vice, but the point of discussion was not the messengers, but the message, that the pushing of reason and logic against religious superstition has no negative side effects that might cause one to "slip" into a pitfall.

After this discussion I should get a medal for nailing Jello.

If I gave the impression that I thought atheists were AS BAD then I apologise. Theists are clearly worse, hence the comment about the risk that atheist groups could exhibit similar behavior to theist ones. We're there ahead of you, no doubt. More cliquey. More prejudiced. More inclined to try to graft our views onto others.

However as fff said, humans are much alike and prone to fuckwittery regardless of their specific beliefs. And group dynamics are depressingly predictable.

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I stand grateful for your spoonfeeding. Diedre badger and I are clearly mistaken and there is no danger that atheists could exhibit any of the nastier aspects of religion when gathered in groups. Atheists in a group never exhibit the same circlejerking tendencies as Christians. Thanks for reassuring me. You're all cool.

Also, Diedre, shame on you for thinking that Brakeman has a condescending or self righteous tone . Absolutely no traces of that which I can detect!

Yes, the berating is so subtle!
Are you a Christian, Jacob? I once was, for years.

Technically yes. But I'm not very good at it.

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How does one answer questions with out giving the appearance of witnessing then?

Throw in a couple of "fuck jesuses." That should cover it.

Nah. I'm not here to convert anyone, but that doesn't mean I'm going to say stuff just to convince you of the fact! Or indeed that I'm not a Christian. I think Jesus (or whoever said the stuff accredited to him) talked some good sense!

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How does one answer questions with out giving the appearance of witnessing then?

You are giving no appearance - you simply, are. When you speak from any position at all, you are a 'witness' to that position.

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Actually, you're doing the best job of witnessing of any of our current Christians.

A bad soup with more seasoning.

Well arn't you the little ray of sunshine!

OK, well since I'm speaking from a position, I guess i'm witnessing as much as you are.