(November 20, 2013 at 6:08 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Most people are familiar with the Euthyphro dilemma against a deity. Theists, particularly intellectually sophisticated theists have some interesting responses to the Euthyphro dilemma (Richard Swinburne's response is one of the most unusual), but we can get into that later.
What if we flip it against atheism?
"Do you do good things because they are good, or are things good simply because you do them?"
If you pick the first option, then the good exists independent of human existence or knowledge. If you pick the second, then people can deem anything they do as good.
I could be missing a point here but this seems like a really eloquently put together question but it's basically stupid.
It's like asking
"Do you play football because playing football is playing football or simply because you play football"
Then following it by saying "Well if you picked the first option it proves that football came from god"
Why not just get down to it and ask "Why do you do good things" instead of giving two vague options.
I'll tell you why I do good things.
It benefits me because I feel good doing it, I feel no guilt or shame, I'm also not punished by anyone for it for example going to prison getting fired from my job and so on, I like being surrounded by a good atmosphere were people help each other out.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
Impersonation is treason.
