(February 9, 2010 at 9:44 pm)Pippy Wrote: That's fucked, I didn't see that part telling me the first article was written by friggin movie stars. Oh well, I stand by the fact the it seems to be a strong study about the neurotoxicity of modern vaccines, and maybe of thimerisol of heavy metal based adjuvants.
"We were unable to identify pre-clinical or prospective neurotoxicity studies that assessed the
safety of this policy."
The Wakefield MMR paper is a benchmark for bullshit agenda-driven science.
1) He lied about the source of the patients in the study, he had claimed that they were routine clinical referrals but they were pre-screened and selected by him because they were statistically rare cases supporting his agenda - No clinical trials dealing with the efficacy of medicine and it' potential harms EVER does this.
2) The 12 Children were bizarrely given several totally irrelevant invasive procedures throughout the study, such as colonoscopies, lumbar punctures and meals laced with radioactive Barium.
3) He never submitted his methodology and research goals to the ethical standards board, there was no scrutiny of his standards, this allowed him to essentially experiment on children for his own interests.
4) The only results he managed to produce in the end were anecdotes, there was no demonstrable link what-so-ever to support the idea that vaccines were related to autism. A sample size of 12 patients pre-selected because of their confirming anecdotes prior to the study is not even close to a good methodology.
5) Most of the collaborators to the study withdrew their support after they discovered the disgraceful and very intentional methodological bias. They did not support the conclusions.
6) The study was never peer reviewed and all evaluations of the study done after it was published dismissed it as flawed and inaccurate
7) Every study conducted since into the link between Vaccines and Autism has concluded that there is absolutely no relationship. These studies are all methodologically sound and used sample sizes of hundreds of people as opposed to 12 specifically selected ones.
Quote:Where are the studies that the FDA and other watchdogs had to require before approving these vaccines? Why could these doctors not find the saftey testing that should have existed before this idea (of heavy metal laced vaccines to improve shelf life) was ever approved? Did they do any neurotoxicity tests, and these doctors can't find it? Was it misplaced?
Sources?
Quote:I am not sold on Thimerisol either. I know that most people have the ability to leech heavy metals out (through the tubes of our hair, seriously) and so may be able to remove thimerisol from their own selves. But there are people who are unable to do this well enough, and they are the ones who react badly to 36 vaccines and get early stage heavy metal poisoning, which is a large portion of the so called "autism spectrum" problem. The question is whether or not using mercury based adjuvants is the best option for the makers. Is there a way we can administer Vaccines that poses no risk of neurotoxic effect? Or even a significantly reduced risk? Can these companies be taken to task if we feel that they have made a shoddy and poor quality product that may have saftey concerns if forced on children?
You ingest more heavy metals from a fresh salmon than all 36 vaccines combined.
Also, heavy metal poisoning has NOTHING to do with Autism. Autism is a genetically based neurological disease, you can inject any fucking thing you can think of into your body and i will guarantee that you will NEVER develop autism.
Quote:I just like to question things, but you guys please feel free to trust blindly. Thank you.
You're saying WE trust blindly yet you are the one linking to an article by Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy just because it confirms your presuppositions? You didn't even check who wrote the article, what does that say about the effort you put into verifying your positions? Not only that but you linked to one of the most widely discredited studies in medical history, the single most discredited one in terms of vaccines.
You might ask a lot of questions, but it is becoming more and more obvious that you aren't actually interested in the answers, you just want to cherry pick what backs up your existing ideas.
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