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Evolution and Islam
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RE: Evolution and Islam
Just to look over the original points made.

Quote:"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate." Quran 7 :11

It says created you AND gave you shape not created THEN gave shape like you said, therefore if you create something AND give shape to it this implies something created and molded in one go.


Quote:Quran 71:14
"'Seeing that it is He that has created you in diverse stages?

Admittedly this could be talking about evolution, but it also could be talking about embryology, you could say the same thing and apply it to anything that is created in diverse stages and be vaguely right.

Quote:Quran 71: 17
"'And Allah has produced you from the earth growing (gradually),

Same as the last verse, too vague to mean anything.

Quote:Quran 76: 28
We have created them and strengthened their forms, and when We will, We can change their likenesses with [complete] alteration."
Again vague.

Quote:Quran 64:3
"He created the heavens and earth in truth and formed you and perfected your forms; and to Him is the [final] destination. "

As I'm sure other people have said evolution isn't about god creating us in perfect forms, you have to establish what perfection is and since no human is the same we can't all be perfect, evolution has no goal it just works on the basis that if you can breed you're successful and every human who has died without breeding which happens a lot has failed the test of natural selection so the verse doesn't really make much sense in terms of evolution.
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Evolution and Islam - by Sleepy - December 1, 2013 at 9:02 pm
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