Strong Atheism starts from faith

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Hello ignorant one tavarish. Welcome to AF

Resort to personal insult again huh +1 fallacy to you

I've been reading along to many of your posts, none of which shed any light on anything, other than the fact that you can't understand the basic concepts of logic and reasoned arguments. You dodge questions left and right, and when you do give answers, they're dismissive of any of the concepts spoken about. God cannot be verified, yet the Bible describes him and has detailed portrayals of his intentions, attitudes and transgressions. Most of it can be relayed to the realm of history research, many elements of which are verifiable and falsifiable. Unless the bible is completely allegorical and bears no resemblance to anything requiring rational thought to digest.

None of which negates the fallacy quoted.

Thanks for your interest. Your basic misunderstanding of the bible is to be expected. Never ever in history, in the bible, or to the present day has God ever left verifiable evidence of himself. *Of course we're talking non personal now. We Christians even go so far as to say this is a signature of God. This is in his nature. Literalist only interpretation is for the scientist and not the theologian. Of course you take the classic position of claiming that nothing can be understood without literal and verifiable proof. No religion works to this principle, leaving your standpoint impotent. Of course this is the point where you shout "dodge ...he's not answering the question". But of course the question is answered. There's just an unwillingness to break from a literalist mindset. Perhaps this is what Creationists also feel.

My favourite post on the topic: http://atheistforums.org/thread-1540-pos...l#pid25166

How would any of us know where our first thoughts originated ...there's a whole world of influences out there. I was raised in a non religious family with no direct influence like that BTW.

How do I know reality is real? Am I really typing this?

Existentialist bullshit. +1 atheist point

I haven't moved position at all as you frivolously state. Of course you're simply trying to float a smokescreen as you've seen Evie play the card with some success. God, by his nature is not independently verifiable. Christians can verify God _personally_, and can confirm and test this with others adopting the belief.

This is why you should read your posts before you hit the "Post reply" button. You have a sentence saying God is not independently verifiable, then say in the next sentence that Christians can verify God. To prove his existence you would ALREADY have to assume he exists on the basis of no observable evidence. What kind of ass backwards reasoning is that? If something is testable, it is testable everywhere, not just in the confines of a group of like-minded people.

That's like me saying for me to become an astronaut, I have to first fly the space shuttle.

What you cannot do is have proof of God that transfers from one person to another. It's a personal verification thing. Does that make it clear?