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Christian Paradox
RE: Christian Paradox
(February 17, 2010 at 8:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Not at any point did I assume you had any belief. Disbelief to me is lacking belief and not actively disbelieving. I'm happy to be corrected on that and will try to be more accurate.

It doesn't follow that agnostic theism is illogical... only by your own construct of that. You don't 'know' if the chair will support you, yet you believe it will, for whatever reason, in this instance verifiable evidence. So your stance on belief is illogical.

Why are you arguing agnostic theism when you believe in Christianity anyway?


Here's a quick definition, spoonfeeding again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism

Agnostic theism, also known as spiritual agnosticism, is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. Per theism, an agnostic theist believes that the proposition at least one deity exists is true, but, per agnosticism, believes that the existence of gods is unknown or inherently unknowable. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the god(s) they believe in. [1]

Agnostic theists are still making the positive claim that a god exists, without knowledge or evidence to support it. This is belief without knowledge. Would you believe in something without at least some subjective knowledge that it exists?

This is quite possibly the most irrational view out there. It's people who contend that "Yes, I don't know if what I'm hearing is true, but I'll believe it on the basis of faith".

Explain to me the logic in believing in something with no knowledge.

Here's another little snippet:

Christian Agnostics (distinct from Christian agnostics) practice a distinct form of agnosticism that applies only to the properties of God. They hold that it is difficult or impossible to be sure of anything beyond the basic tenets of the Christian faith; that God exists, that Jesus has a special relationship with him and is in some way divine, that God should be worshipped and that humans should be compassionate toward one another. This belief system has deep roots in Judaism and the early days of the Church.

Even Christian agnostics make positive claims.

And again,

Explain to me the logic in believing in something with no knowledge.
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Christian Paradox - by tackattack - December 16, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Dotard - December 16, 2009 at 9:50 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Darwinian - December 16, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2009 at 10:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 11:36 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - December 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 11:05 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - December 17, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 9:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 3, 2010 at 9:54 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 3, 2010 at 1:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 4, 2010 at 10:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 4, 2010 at 12:08 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 4, 2010 at 8:13 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 5, 2010 at 11:42 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 4, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 5, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 5, 2010 at 10:21 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 7, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by KichigaiNeko - January 12, 2010 at 5:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 12, 2010 at 8:44 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - December 16, 2009 at 1:28 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - December 16, 2009 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Violet - December 17, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Violet - December 17, 2009 at 5:18 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by binny - December 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - December 16, 2009 at 10:15 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by padraic - December 17, 2009 at 12:06 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by chatpilot - December 17, 2009 at 1:18 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 7:58 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 3, 2010 at 10:10 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 3, 2010 at 11:09 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - January 3, 2010 at 11:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 3, 2010 at 3:11 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Dotard - January 4, 2010 at 10:39 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - January 5, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 7, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - January 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Xyster - January 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - January 9, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 8:08 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Edwardo Piet - January 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 13, 2010 at 8:58 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 10:29 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 30, 2010 at 1:59 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - January 31, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2010 at 1:04 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 1:57 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 3:24 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 9:36 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 1:45 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 14, 2010 at 11:19 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 13, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 14, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 15, 2010 at 1:17 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 15, 2010 at 11:56 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 12:19 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - February 15, 2010 at 3:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 3:32 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 15, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 6:26 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 4:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:06 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Xyster - February 18, 2010 at 1:49 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - February 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - February 15, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 4:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - February 15, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 15, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 12:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 1:00 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 1:14 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 16, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 10:19 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 11:51 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - February 16, 2010 at 12:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 16, 2010 at 6:04 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Autumnlicious - February 16, 2010 at 9:37 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 12:33 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 17, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 4:58 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Autumnlicious - February 17, 2010 at 5:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - February 16, 2010 at 1:23 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 2:24 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 8:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 17, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 16, 2010 at 9:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 10:18 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 1:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 1:56 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 18, 2010 at 2:33 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by downbeatplumb - February 18, 2010 at 3:42 pm

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