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Christian Paradox
RE: Christian Paradox
Listen tavares... I know very well what claims I'm making. I'm sorta posing and answering questions rather than making any claims - it's not why I'm here.

I make no positive claim that God exists. that would be irrational of a transcendental entity - God just is ...and I believe he just is.

What evidence have you that most Christians are not agnostic? I know very many Christians and used to work at a very popular annual Christian Festival in the UK frequented by about 60k of them. I've been an active member of 2 large churches and active interdenominationally. I've never met a Christian who claimed to know for sure that God existed. Like I've said, and you seem to gloss over... such a stance would be illogical.

Churches take the assurance of faith and 'claim' certainty. This is simply lingo which to any intelligent bystander isn't actually anyone saying anything beyond doubt. As Adrian covered on his blog, certainty isn't knowledge.

I believe, not claim, that God 'is'. I believe through faith. At the point of faith, there _has to be_ no knowledge.. for there to be any would indeed be illogical.
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Christian Paradox - by tackattack - December 16, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Dotard - December 16, 2009 at 9:50 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Darwinian - December 16, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2009 at 10:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 11:36 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - December 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 11:05 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - December 17, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 9:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 3, 2010 at 9:54 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 3, 2010 at 1:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 4, 2010 at 10:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 4, 2010 at 12:08 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 4, 2010 at 8:13 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 5, 2010 at 11:42 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 4, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 5, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 5, 2010 at 10:21 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 7, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by KichigaiNeko - January 12, 2010 at 5:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 12, 2010 at 8:44 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - December 16, 2009 at 1:28 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - December 16, 2009 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Violet - December 17, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Violet - December 17, 2009 at 5:18 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by binny - December 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - December 16, 2009 at 10:15 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by padraic - December 17, 2009 at 12:06 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by chatpilot - December 17, 2009 at 1:18 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 7:58 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 3, 2010 at 10:10 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 3, 2010 at 11:09 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - January 3, 2010 at 11:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 3, 2010 at 3:11 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Dotard - January 4, 2010 at 10:39 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - January 5, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 7, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - January 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Xyster - January 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - January 9, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 8:08 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Edwardo Piet - January 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 13, 2010 at 8:58 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 10:29 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 30, 2010 at 1:59 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - January 31, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2010 at 1:04 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 1:57 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 3:24 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 9:36 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 1:45 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 14, 2010 at 11:19 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 13, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 14, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 15, 2010 at 1:17 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 15, 2010 at 11:56 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 12:19 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - February 15, 2010 at 3:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 3:32 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 15, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 6:26 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 4:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:06 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Xyster - February 18, 2010 at 1:49 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - February 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - February 15, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 4:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - February 15, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 15, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 12:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 1:00 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 1:14 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 16, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 10:19 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 11:51 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - February 16, 2010 at 12:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 16, 2010 at 6:04 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Autumnlicious - February 16, 2010 at 9:37 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 12:33 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 17, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 4:58 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Autumnlicious - February 17, 2010 at 5:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - February 16, 2010 at 1:23 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 2:24 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 8:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 17, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 16, 2010 at 9:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 10:18 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 1:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 1:56 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 18, 2010 at 2:33 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by downbeatplumb - February 18, 2010 at 3:42 pm

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