what makes a person a person?

[Violet]

A mother's top priority is? To take care of her child. Getting her child killed to cover up her "crimes" is not being a mother. Doesn't matter if it was wrong to punish adultery back then, she knew the law, she broke the law and that makes her a criminal. What tells you that our laws in 2013 are correct? Maybe our grand-children will laugh at our law in 2,100 and think it was barbaric! Doesn't suddenly mean that breaking the law now is not crime.

* Violet laughs hysterically.

I'm sorry, was this not intended to be taken seriously? I could write a damn thesis on how utterly ridiculous the lot of that was. But I'm sure that you already knew that

A mother can't do that to her child. Putting so much responsibility on him, getting him in trouble and getting him killed to cover up her crime, so she alone could benefit. It's disgusting. Would you like that, if your mother did that to you? Lie and say that a dope dealer is your father so she can get all the dope she wants for her own benefit? Exposing you to abuse, crime and getting you killed, for her benefit? Is that a mother? And then someone in 2,100 like you comes to argue, "imprisoning people for drug use was barbaric back then so it was righteous for the mother to get what she rightfully deserved". Would that be fair to you?

Right, and Joseph didn't benefit? The kid *seems* to have benefitted, I mean: disciples, having been given gold, and some other very very expensive shit around the time he was, say, 12. That seems pretty benefactory to me. Not to mention being popular enough to give the Sermon of the Mount.

I wouldn't imprison people for simply using drugs, even today. Now me? I don't see why you've got such a boner for this witch-hunt. Seeing you try to justify it is fairly funny, though... so please continue

At least Hitler didn't kill his own son, so you can't say he was a bad father. He never got the chance to prove himself in this matter so we give him the benefit of the doubt. You can't use 2013 ethical logic to justify someone from 2,000 years ago. 2013 ethical logic justifies people from 2013. 2,000 years ago, there is NO justification for what I assume she did and if Joseph helped with the cover-up then he's a worst father in the world. I would have said, NO, I'm not jeopardizing my son so you can get away with this. This is MY son. What ball-less father would sacrifice his son to rescue his mother from her whoring?

You realize how pointless it is to compare anything to Adolf Hitler, yes?

I use 'ethical logic' independent of any time. What kind of 'ball-less' father lets his child die before it's born? Seems to me to be the greatest risk to defend his woman and his son. One could not ask for a better father.