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Can objective morality exist in Atheism?
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RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism?
(February 18, 2010 at 2:37 pm)objectivitees Wrote:
Quote:The Golden rule is NOT a moral in itself,

Yes it is. It says treating others good is right, treating others bad is wrong. That's a "moral" value to live by, just like saying "murder is wrong".

It is a principle on which morality is based, but the morality itself is subjective. The only thing it reinforces is surviving and procreating as a species. The golden rule is instinctive.

Good and bad are purely subjective, and those can be regarded as morals.

I'll give you an example:

In order to gain acceptance to a gang, you need to kill a member of an opposing gang or innocent individual. This not only allows murder, it encourages it as a moral practice within the society. This would greatly differ from the values of good and bad in other regions and parts of the world. What is bad for one, may be seen as good for someone else.

"Murder is wrong" is not objective, as there are plenty of examples where murder is advocated, especially in modern society:

Capital punishment
Suicide bombings
Self-defense
Times of war

It is subjective, morality changes as you change points of view.



(February 18, 2010 at 2:37 pm)objectivitees Wrote:
Quote:Morality is subjective.

Great. That's all I was trying to discern from you. On that basis, (that morals are subjective) is there a way to define right and wrong in Atheism?
I'll play along.

Societal norms coupled with personal experience dictate an individual's morals. You cannot have an objective right and wrong anywhere. That doesn't mean subjectively, it's not dictated by anything.
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Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:24 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Meatball - February 18, 2010 at 3:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 3:23 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 4:39 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 8:32 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 6:46 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2010 at 7:39 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 19, 2010 at 10:41 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2010 at 2:56 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 20, 2010 at 3:29 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 20, 2010 at 12:49 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 20, 2010 at 7:12 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 20, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 20, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2010 at 9:50 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 12:16 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 21, 2010 at 2:23 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 2:54 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 21, 2010 at 2:58 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:10 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 21, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:29 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 21, 2010 at 8:35 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 11:47 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 12:42 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 12:39 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 24, 2010 at 2:05 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Tiberius - February 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 2:39 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 11:03 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 12:21 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 22, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 8:24 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 4:23 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 5:01 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 1:55 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 2:40 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 1:53 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 9:20 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 23, 2010 at 3:59 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 4:18 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 24, 2010 at 4:33 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 24, 2010 at 4:41 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Chad Farris - February 27, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Mandi - March 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - March 10, 2010 at 4:06 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - March 10, 2010 at 5:16 am

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