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Christian Paradox
RE: Christian Paradox
(February 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm)tavarish Wrote: We all know that church attendance has been falling and 50 years ago over half of people in the UK would go to Church. While belief in Christianity may have declined at 58% of the population it can still claim to have a majority of the population. Atheists and Agnostics represent 33% of the population and are still in the minority.[/i]

It's right below the 15% churchgoing statistic. This would be right in line with the claim that 40% advocate creationism.

Those would be nominal Christians... that is people who don't satisfy a basic test of actually committing to a belief, but rather accepting it as a default position that they don't really want to think about. If challenged, said people would more accurately be defined atheist.

(February 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm)tavarish Wrote: Would you like an appeal to authority? Most of my friends are Christian. All of my family is Christian. I've been to Christian churches many times, varying denominations. I've had in-depth discussions with pastors and priests on more than one occasion, as well as lengthy debates with friends in which they brought up points that make more sense than anything you've ever posted. For a large part of my life, I was Christian and believed in God. I live in the most Christian nation and we currently have a Christian President and Congress. I've read most of the Bible, and am expanding on this knowledge daily.

But I have no idea what Christianity is about. Can you tell me?

You appear to have no idea what Christianity is about, based on what you've said here so far. In the interest of changing that impression... please set out your reasoning for believing when you did believe. If it was irrational, it was no reason to believe.

(February 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm)tavarish Wrote:
tav Wrote:You're saying religious teachings aren't knowledge. I referred you to bible studies, sunday school, and creationism, which are all taught as fact.
(February 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I could quote you examples of Atheists not being atheists too. What does that prove??
You can quote me examples of people who don't believe in God as they believe in God?

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm talking about classifications not applying when the people they are being applied to aren't acting in accordance with the classification.

(February 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm)tavarish Wrote: I come from a position of observation, you apparently come from a position of rationalization and willful ignorance. You dodge questions and have real trouble understand most concepts that are written about on these forums. You're asked what your subjective evidence is for your belief, and you dodge left and right, while condemning others because they don't agree with your world view and call you out on your BS.

I haven't been here long, but I can see that you're a troll and are utterly outmatched intellectually by virtually everyone on this board, theists and all.

If you're ready to discuss subjects rationally, we can do so. Don't perpetuate the shitstorm.

That being an example of the shitstorm I presume? Big Grin I apologise for my harsh words. Let's move on.

tav Wrote:I'm saying your faith is based on SOMETHING, a subjective experience you perceive as knowledge of the divine.

You seem to place importance on this. All this is is the manifestation of belief. It cannot be it's foundation. I believe in God because I rationalise him to be.
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Christian Paradox - by tackattack - December 16, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Dotard - December 16, 2009 at 9:50 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Darwinian - December 16, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2009 at 10:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 11:36 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - December 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 11:05 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - December 17, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 9:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 3, 2010 at 9:54 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 3, 2010 at 1:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 4, 2010 at 10:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 4, 2010 at 12:08 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 4, 2010 at 8:13 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 5, 2010 at 11:42 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 4, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 5, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 5, 2010 at 10:21 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 7, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by KichigaiNeko - January 12, 2010 at 5:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 12, 2010 at 8:44 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - December 16, 2009 at 1:28 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - December 16, 2009 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Violet - December 17, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Violet - December 17, 2009 at 5:18 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by binny - December 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - December 16, 2009 at 10:15 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by padraic - December 17, 2009 at 12:06 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by chatpilot - December 17, 2009 at 1:18 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 7:58 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 3, 2010 at 10:10 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 3, 2010 at 11:09 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - January 3, 2010 at 11:23 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by A897 - January 3, 2010 at 3:11 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Dotard - January 4, 2010 at 10:39 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - January 5, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - January 7, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by theVOID - January 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - January 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Xyster - January 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - January 9, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 8:08 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Edwardo Piet - January 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 13, 2010 at 8:58 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - January 29, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - January 29, 2010 at 10:29 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - January 30, 2010 at 1:59 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by LEDO - January 31, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2010 at 1:04 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 1:57 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 3:24 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 9:36 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 1:45 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 12, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 14, 2010 at 11:19 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 13, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 14, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tackattack - February 15, 2010 at 1:17 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 15, 2010 at 11:56 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 12:19 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - February 15, 2010 at 3:30 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 3:32 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 15, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 6:26 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 4:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:06 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Xyster - February 18, 2010 at 1:49 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by leo-rcc - February 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - February 15, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 4:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Tiberius - February 15, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 15, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 15, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 12:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 1:00 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 1:14 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 16, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 10:19 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 16, 2010 at 11:51 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by rjh4 - February 16, 2010 at 12:52 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 16, 2010 at 6:04 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Autumnlicious - February 16, 2010 at 9:37 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 12:33 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Rhizomorph13 - February 17, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 4:58 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Autumnlicious - February 17, 2010 at 5:43 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by Ace Otana - February 16, 2010 at 1:23 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 16, 2010 at 2:24 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Watson - February 16, 2010 at 8:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Purple Rabbit - February 17, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 16, 2010 at 9:38 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 10:18 am
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 1:39 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 1:56 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by fr0d0 - February 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by Minimalist - February 18, 2010 at 2:33 pm
RE: Christian Paradox - by downbeatplumb - February 18, 2010 at 3:42 pm

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