Can objective morality exist in Atheism?

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Sure it does. If the society you belong to does not condone it, it matters.

Which part of "ultimately" did you miss in my reply? I didn't say it did not matter to society, I said it "ultimately" does not matter.

Why would it ultimately not matter? Many small progressions or regressions turn into a big change. Ultimately, the moral construct could evolve into something different, be regarded as irrelevant, or dismissed in favor of something more suitable.

Yes, but neither view would be "ultimate".

Ahhhh. I see what you're getting at. You're trying to assess validity of moral absolutes and eventual consensus of moral ideologies. As long as there are societies that differ in any measurable fashion, there will be a difference in the acceptance of certain actions, i.e. morals.

By the way, do mean ultimately at the end of life of humans? The end of life on earth? The end of the universe?

This does not mean that there is an objective standard, it just means I'm only as moral as my subjective societal norms perceive me to be.

That's what I meant. You seem to keep switching sides. If morality is relative to "societal norms" it's not "ultimate". If it's not "ultimate" it does not matter who survives and who dies.

I never said it was ultimate, and I never implied that it was. I never switched sides and attempted to stay well within the realm of reason and didn't overstep my boundaries.

When you say "Doesn't matter", what do you mean? Doesn't matter in regards to what?

It has a definite effect on the survivability of the species if the only ones left alive are those who don't have a need to procreate, serve themselves, and kill those round them. That would be headed for certain extinction.