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Can objective morality exist in Atheism?
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RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism?
(February 18, 2010 at 6:55 pm)objectivitees Wrote:
Quote:Of course it matters, it matters to US,

Yeah, but so what if it matters to you? Why is your version of what matters any more important than someone else's version which happens to oppose yours?

It matters to the vast majority, that's why the society holds this majority view as moral. We may not consider the majority view of people in another time, place or culture as moral, but that is based on our own societal norms and neither are objectively true, the best we can do is attempt to reason that one position is demonstrably superior and if this is shown then societies will often adapt morally to allow these new ideologies, the history of slavery or oppression of women would be prime examples of this.

The vast majority of people on earth hold the same basic moral core, the one we evolved with genetically as social animals - yes there are always exceptions, people who come to display different moral decisions be it minor or major, this can either be genetic or environmental factors that leads to this divergence, such as someone compelled to murder or steal, but they know that society does not condone this behaviour and there are serious consequences for doing so, it may be something that they cannot control, but that does not mean that society should allow it at all, actions deemed immoral will be frowned upon if minor (such as right-wing Christians frowning on homosexuals) or punished if serious (such as murder).

(February 18, 2010 at 6:55 pm)objectivitees Wrote: Consequences have everything to do with it. Have you reasoned out the logical consequences of a reality where morals are subjective? Are those consequences acceptable to you? Do you even know what the consequences are?

The consequences are eternal vigilance.

Are the consequences acceptable? It doesn't matter whether or not it's acceptable, only that it is. We have to deal with the truth of the situation, not with the ideological fantasies we want to be true. Either way it makes no difference to the state of morality in the world, we still require vigilance to uphold the majority moral standards be they absolute or relative.

The argument for evolved morality, both socially and genetically, offers us a far better explanation for the state of morality in the world than the argument for absolute morality. But seeing as you disagree you might like to explain why you think that there is an absolute morality and back that up with examples or a logical necessity and then explain why you think it better explains the morality of the world.
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Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:24 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Meatball - February 18, 2010 at 3:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 3:23 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 4:39 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 8:32 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 6:46 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2010 at 7:39 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 19, 2010 at 10:41 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2010 at 2:56 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 20, 2010 at 3:29 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 20, 2010 at 12:49 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 20, 2010 at 7:12 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 20, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 20, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2010 at 9:50 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 12:16 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 21, 2010 at 2:23 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 2:54 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 21, 2010 at 2:58 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:10 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 21, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:29 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 21, 2010 at 8:35 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 11:47 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 12:42 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 12:39 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 24, 2010 at 2:05 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Tiberius - February 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 2:39 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 11:03 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 12:21 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 22, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 8:24 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 4:23 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 5:01 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 1:55 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 2:40 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 1:53 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 9:20 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 23, 2010 at 3:59 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 4:18 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 24, 2010 at 4:33 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 24, 2010 at 4:41 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Chad Farris - February 27, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Mandi - March 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - March 10, 2010 at 4:06 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - March 10, 2010 at 5:16 am

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