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Can objective morality exist in Atheism?
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RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism?
(February 21, 2010 at 8:10 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: 1. The overall perspective from which one sees and interprets the world.

And how is atheism an overall perspective from which one see and interprets the world? Atheism is a word which literally means "without belief in god(s)". It does not tell you anything else about what a person believes, to get that you need to generalise, to say that 'most people who are atheists believe x,y and z' which is not the same as saying 'To be an atheist you must believe x,y and z'. It would be like saying Theism is a worldview, which it is not, it is simply a core part of the wordviews such as Judaism or Christianity.

Quote:2. A collection of beliefs about life and the universe held by an individual or a group.

And atheism is not that either, it is a core part of various worldviews as God, being prior to the universe, must be established or dismissed before the worldview is formed, therefore all worldviews are Theistic or Atheistic, but the worldviews that are Atheistic and not the same because of their shared atheism. Humanistic naturalism, Buddhism and Taoism are atheistic worldviews, but they are far from similar descriptions of percieved reality.

Quote:This taken from the Freedictionary.com http://www.thefreedictionary.com/worldview

Yep and i agree with their definition, the problem is 'atheism' doesn't fit the criteria you are trying to use to make it a worldview.

Quote:And I maintain that atheism IS a worldview, certainly a fundamental part of your worldviews.

Yes a fundamental part of a worldview, as it is a response to a question that deals with the very origins of the universe and thus everything following this conclusion must be consistent to be valid, but it is still not a worldview.

Quote:Otherwise why are you all devoting so much time and effort to it?

Because it's interesting. My penis is also interesting, i devote more time to it than i do Atheism, yet i wouldn't consider it to be a worldview, would you?

Quote:If religion is a worldview then atheism( as an opposing belief system) has to be as well.

Except atheism is not the opposite of Religion, it is the opposite of theism, and it is possible to be a theist without being religious and it is also possible to be a religious atheist, your logic for concluding that atheism is a worldview is demonstrably flawed at a basic level.

(February 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm)Zen Badger Wrote:
(February 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm)tavarish Wrote: Atheism isn't a belief system. It's a rejection of the belief in God or gods. That's it.
But is that not a belief itself? Since we cannot conclusively disprove the existence of gods.

Yes, a single belief, not a system of beliefs.

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(February 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm)tavarish Wrote: There is no inherent dogma, there are no underlying tenets. It doesn't pre-suppose anything, other than the rejection of a belief.

But a worldview is not the same as a religion.

Didn't you just try and argue that a atheism is a worldview because it is the opposite of religion? That would make religion a particular type of worldview, a subset worldview if you like.

Not only are you being illogical but also inconsistent.

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(February 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm)tavarish Wrote: Personally, I devote time to it because I enjoy debate and also like to write in a place where I'm with like-minded individuals. It's also a place where we can escape the overly theistic tenets of western culture. Not a worldview by itself. Not by a long shot. Not unless you consider a disbelief in unicorns a worldview.

But a disbelief in unicorns is a part of your worldview, a small part but a part none the less.

So disbelief in unicorns is part of a worldview but disbelief god is a worldview in it's self.

Again, you are entirely inconsistent.
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Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:24 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Meatball - February 18, 2010 at 3:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 3:23 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 4:39 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 8:32 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 6:46 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2010 at 7:39 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 19, 2010 at 10:41 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2010 at 2:56 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 20, 2010 at 3:29 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 20, 2010 at 12:49 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 20, 2010 at 7:12 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 20, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 20, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2010 at 9:50 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 12:16 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 21, 2010 at 2:23 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 2:54 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 21, 2010 at 2:58 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:10 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 21, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:29 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 21, 2010 at 8:35 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 11:47 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 12:42 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 12:39 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 24, 2010 at 2:05 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Tiberius - February 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 2:39 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 11:03 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 12:21 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 22, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 8:24 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 4:23 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 5:01 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 1:55 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 2:40 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 1:53 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 9:20 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 23, 2010 at 3:59 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 4:18 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 24, 2010 at 4:33 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 24, 2010 at 4:41 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Chad Farris - February 27, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Mandi - March 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - March 10, 2010 at 4:06 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - March 10, 2010 at 5:16 am

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