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@ Sae,

My point is that the brain is another part of the body just as the heart is... I don't see how it is not the body.

Did I say it wasn't? However, you (being your consciousness) is a thing entirely contained within the brain. Hence, when I am speaking to you, I'm not speaking to your left ankle, earlobes, or other left ankle in any capacity at all. I am speaking specifically to the entity within the 'platform' that contains it.

If you are to have a synthetic body and a synthetic brain then your synthetic brain is still just another part of your synthetic body. Or if you have a mix of synthetic and organic I still don't see how this makes your brain 'not a part of your body'. I don't see how your brain can exist without it being part of your body.

The point is that you are separate from your platform (this includes your brain... note the 'your' right there?) in the sense that you would be remaining intact if you were to move into a different platform. Your brain is a part of your body, but your brain is where your consciousness is "housed". As of current, we are not capable of moving you to a different platform (copying your persona would accomplish a similar task, although it would not be you (as your location and time probably differ from that of the copied persona). I don't see where I suggested your brain was separate from the rest of your body... do i suggest that the brain houses you, and that you are ultimately a separate consideration from your body ? Yes.

Yes viruses have no 'they' in the sense that there is no "they" as in - they're not conscious. But they are still alive in the sense they are an organism. If you define living as conscious then, fine - but that still won't derail the fact that as far as I know a brain requires the rest of the body - whether organic or synthetic. I don't see how you can claim the brain is not a part of the body. The mind, maybe - but then you'd be a dualist and 'mind' is different to simply 'brain' as in the physical mind in your head.

@fr0d0 I think Child of Our Time is brilliant.

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Let's see if i can put this in simple terms... a computer requires energy and the engineering to apply that energy to function. Without that energy (in this case electricity) and the engineering (wires and the like) required to carry that energy, process, and transform the energy on the computer into a form that we can use): The computer may as well be a rock for all it does.

When the computer "dies" (no longer has energy, or is no longer able to apply that energy due to any number of reasons)... it will not "start again" until its energy source has been restored, and it can use it once again. If it is restored to function, then it will begin working again as well as it did in the past.

Our bodies are not so different. We as much as our computers require energy and 'engineering' to apply it to function. Without that energy (In this case nutrients, water, and the like) and the 'engineering' (Heart, brain, lungs, bones, muscle, and the like) required to carry that energy, process, and transform the energy in our body into a form that we can use): we may as well be a corpse for all we do (and indeed are corpses in this case ).

When we "die" (no longer have energy, or are no longer able to apply that energy due to any number of reasons)... we will not "start again" until our energy source has been restored, and it can once again be used. If we are restored to function (a far more complex and difficult task than fixing a broken computer... imagine restoring a rotting brain 0.o)... then we will begin working again as well as we did in the past.


As it turns out, i do define living as consciousness... unless you begin to equate the status of living to rocks and computers. Other than the materials used in their composition... computers, bacteria, and rocks have a remarkably similar perception of their existence.

And as it also turns out, i am not a dualist: I only recognize that if your persona was transported and interpreted into a digital framework: you would adapt to the new model of your existence in the same way a person with a broken leg might adapt to not trying to run on it. A person is a concept... I disagree that a person can be considered as their body in the same capacity I disagree that mathematics are anything more than a concept.

I don't see where you felt the need to state the obvious (that the brain is a part of the body)... I would have thought my stance would be because of what i've stated above... I might have said something wrong previously (that I'm not believing) that had you make your point that the brain is a part of the body... but in case you aren't clear on this: I agree with you that the brain is a part of the body.